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Re: [RC] 2006 Big Horn 100 - Laney Humphrey



Joe Long wrote:
On Sun, 23 Jul 2006 21:34:23 -0700, Laney Humphrey
<laneyhh@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Joe Long wrote:
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Vets and well-marked trails, yes.  Drag riders -- nice to have, but
hardly necessary.
IMHO, whether drag riders are necessary or not depends a lot on how RM wants its ride perceived by MOST people. Many, if not most, rides today, have drag riders so they are expected. If RM chooses not to have them, that should be made very clear from the outset so riders know not to expect help from behind.

I never had drag riders at my rides because I didn't have enough volunteers to have them. I'd say that over 90% of the rides I've done did not have drag riders. In my experience having drag riders is the exception, not the rule.
Ok, I stand corrected re having drag riders. But, I stand on my point that if RM says there are going to be drag riders, by golly, there better be drag riders!

What people have a right to expect at an AERC ride are competent vets, well-run vet checks and a well-marked trail. Everything else is "nice to have" but not essential to a good ride. I'll take those fundamentals (and, of course, good scenery) over drag riders, checks in camp, meals, fancy awards, and such every time.

I still contend that people have a right to expect the rider to be as it is described - the mileage should be within only a few miles of what's stated, the trail should be as described, and whatever help is to be availabe (if any) should be clearly described and available as stated. In other words, if the ride is designed as a city slickers ride, describe it as one; if it's an extreme ride under extreme conditions, make sure entrants understand that so they can take precautionary measures.

...
Joe, you and RM, IMHO, are blindsided to this year's reality at Big Horn. In most years, from what I've heard, the ride is do-able but tough and should be attempted by only the most experienced.

Rides like the Big Horn are tough, yes, but to say they "should be attempted by only the most experienced" is going way too far. They are not the best choice for a first 100, but even that is doable if you have a mentor riding along.

There's that qualifying "if" again! What's wrong with just saying that a ride is appropriate for only experienced riders? Being honest in describing a ride is nothing more than playing fair in my book. RMs do neither their riders non themselves any favors by downplaying the difficulty of a ride. When riders feel cheated and dishonored by failing to complete a ride that they understood to be within their capabilities, Trial by Media starts in earnest right here on Ridecamp. Isn't it much better for everyone to have RC full of positive feedback and inspiring ride stories than bitching and moaning and tales of horse injuries and deaths?

This year's ride did include unusual challenges - having to reroute the trail being the biggest from what I'm reading but also the heat - which RM did not appear to accomodate.

Accomodating such things is not as easy as you seem to think. I've had to re-route a ride "on the fly" staying ahead of the riders, due to flash-flooding of the creeks -- it isn't easy.

Oh, so it's ok for a ride to be unexpectedly hard for horses and riders but not ok for it to be hard for RM? I admit that I wasn't at Big Horn but I've read Cindy Collin's and others posts over the years about how few people actually turn out to run the ride. Going back to what riders have a right to expect at a ride, as a rider, I expect that there will be enough people available to cover all contingencies throughout the ride course. I know managing a ride is not easy; I honor and respect those who take on the task. No management position is easy, especially because people being managed (or for whom the task - ride - is being managed) are rarely if ever grateful. So, no one should take on the task of managing a ride because they expect gratitude from riders. A job well done should be the sole reward. If riders do remember to say "thank you" that is a real plus.

I've ridden rides that were acknowledged to be long where RM extended the finish time; I've ridden rides in extreme heat where pulse criteria was lowered in order to slow people down & where additional holds have been added. There were plenty of very experienced riders on very good horses who could not complete this year's ride. That should send up red flags. One of those experienced riders is one who lost his horse. Another red flag in my opinion.

I don't have the exact numbers, but didn't over 50% of the riders complete? There have been many 100's that have had fewer than 50% complete, some fewer than 30% complete.

Holds and pulse criteria are a matter of judgement, and as I was not
there, I will not second-guess those decisions.
Unfortunately, I dumped my "trash" just the other day so I can't go back & find the results either. Low completion rates are common on 100s; my only argument with this ride is that it appears to have been unfairly stacked against the riders, making it impossible for otherwise competent riders on fit horses to complete. Earlier this year there was a long discussion here in RC about the need for more 100s and more riders to enter them. All I'm trying to say here is that rides with as many issues as this one appears to have had, do not enhance the reputation of 100 mile rides or inspire riders to attempt their first 100.

In my not-so-humble opinion, anyone who wants to experience the finest
and most beautiful challenge that our sport has to offer, will do the
Big Horn 100 at least once.  You really haven't had the full endurance
experience without it.
Several of us have posted very similar opinions about the reality of our sport today. None of us is arguing for doing away with tough, extreme rides such as Big Horn but we are saying that rides need to be designed for the rider of today.

Gawd, I hope not. Not if the "rider of today" wants all of the obstacles removed, and his ability to complete guaranteed. And why do you keep saying "extreme ride?" The BH is tough, but it is not extreme IMO. I have some rides that I would call extreme, such as the 1980 Heart of Dixie (due to horrendous weather conditions) and the 1987 Race of Champions (where only 16 of 88 experienced riders and horses finished).

I'm speaking of the present, Joe, not 20+ years ago when many AERC members were still riding their first ponies. No offense meant, but I for one, do not want endurance as a sport to stand still. Nor do I want it to try to replicate rides of years ago. I will persist in calling the 2006 Big Horn ride an "extreme" ride - by today's standards. As I said before, I don't think that a reason to do away with the ride. I do think it's a reason to examine the ride and it's management with the purpose of either changing how things are done to make it doable to a sufficient number of *today's* riders to make it financially feasible, or turning it into some sort of non-sanctioned event open only to those who want to undertake it almost totally on their own.



The most successful leaders lead by following to paraphrase a friend of mine. If people want to have extreme rides, designed to be beyond the abilities of most riders, they should go ahead, but not seek AERC sanctioning which opens any ride up to anyone.
Laney

Whoa!!!! Now you've done quit preachin' and gone to meddlin'. AERC should not sanction tough rides? The day our sport comes to that pass, is the day I move on to something else.

And the same back at you. I feel definitely "meddled with" when I've paid good money for entry fees plus huge amounts for fuel to get me and my horse to a ride that turns out to be way different from the publicly available ride description! And I don't think AERC wants to have to have a Welfare of the Horse committee. That committee came about because of concern that the number of horse fatalities has not dropped over the years. And, just to restate my position again, I want AERC to continue to sanction all types of rides but I also want rides to be accurately described and safely managed. If AERC has instituted the Welfare of the Horse committee, maybe it also needs to develop a Ride Management Oversight committee to study how ride management can be improved.


Here's another suggestion for a long range direction for the sports: AERC continues as the overall sanctioning body but endurance as a sport is divided into different divisions, each with it's own rules & regs. There could be Limited Distance (or whatever that group chooses to call its sport), Endurance (which could include both 50s and 100s or not as the division sees fit), Multi-Day and there could then be another division to cover minimally managed events. Each division could develop its own event specific rules & regs but would have to comply with AERC's overall requirements. Just a thought.
Laney



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