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As I recall, the lupine seeds are poisonous, not the rest of the plant, and
a little won't kill them; it's toxic in volume.  

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> -----Original Message-----
> From: ridecamp-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx 
> [mailto:ridecamp-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of heidi sowards
> Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2004 4:03 PM
> To: Ed & Wendy Hauser
> Cc: ridecamp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [RC] lupine
>
> Ed, I know I've read that lupine is poisonous, however, a 
> nat. geographic horse special showed wild horses that ate the 
> lupine at certain stages of their flowering. I have a gelding 
> that was pretty much raised wild, til the age of 5 anyway. I 
> ride in some Weyerhauser clear cuts and there is one trail 
> that goes by a particularily large lupine plant.
> My gelding will dive into this plant to grab a huge mouthful 
> of flowers, ripping reins out of my hands!! He's also 
> particularily fond of the tiny purple thistles, stopping to 
> happily munch the tops off, even when the are brown and 
> seemingly unappetizing. I think they are milk thistles? 
> Anyway, I've let him eat the lupine, he's so intent on having 
> some, not at any time of the year, only when flowering. (Not 
> sure at exactly what stage of the flowers though.) The only 
> horse I have that does this as well!!!! Any medicinal 
> purposes to these plants that my horse may know about?
>
> Heidi 
>
>
> --- Ed & Wendy Hauser <ranch@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >  "...I know my horses are happily scarfing up this pinnately leaved 
> > weed with little purple flowers that "I" have never seen 
> living for 17 
> > years in Poway, but is all over my 2 acre pasture in Ramona 5 miles 
> > away.  I don't know what it is - despite having a fairly extensive 
> > knowledge of Southern California native plants..."
> >
> > Have you taken a sample to your county Agriculture 
> extension agent??  
> > Your mystery plant may be one of the weeds introduced from other 
> > continents.
> > These weeds should be eradicated or at least controlled to save our 
> > western wild spots for future generations.  There are 
> native and not 
> > so native plants that do harm livestock.  I am in the process of 
> > getting rid of Lupine and Buttercup in my hay field.  Both 
> are not a 
> > real problem with horses, because horses normally do not 
> like them.  
> > Cows are another matter.  I also have some Spotted Knapweed.  Not 
> > poisonous, as far as I know, but a real problem weed in the 
> west.  I 
> > am working on that also.
> >
> > In the last I have attended 6 hours of formal extension classes to 
> > learn about pests (animal, insects and plant) and their 
> proper control 
> > (chemical, biological, and agricultural).
> >
> > While a person may feel that ignorance of the plants in 
> their pasture 
> > is a good defense against a violation of Rule 13, a prudent person 
> > makes it their business to find out what they are feeding 
> their horses 
> > and the effects of those plants. It is our duty to protect 
> our animals 
> > from themselves.  Just as it is our duty to protect our 
> children from 
> > the effects of alcohol, caffeine etc.
> >
> > Ed
> >
> >
> > Ed & Wendy Hauser
> > 2994 Mittower Road
> > Victor, MT 59875
> >
> > ranch@xxxxxxxxxxx
> > 406.642.6490
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