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Re: [RC] RHR in youngsters - Horse ElinoreL.TonsorActually, as a UMECRA competitive rider and ride manager, I don't like to see you use the CTR initial for our rides. We call it Competitive Riding in the Midwest, and it is very different from NATRC Competitive Trail Riding. I made up my mind that I wasn't going to get into this discussion, because we stopped having it in the Midwest years ago. Many of our top endurance riders (Jan Worthington, Joe Mattingley, Candy Barbo, Joyce Mocilan, Lori Windows to name a few) in the Midwest ride Endurance on Saturday and Competitive on Sunday. They see the advantages and fun in both. I too take exception to the "average" term used. We do 50 mile competitive rides in the Midwest, so when the endurance horse is getting crewed for, sloshing jugs, water buckets at road crossings, the competitive horse must trot right on past this luxurary and get their water and sloshing from water found naturally on the trail. We do 3 day 100's, 2 day 100's, 2-day 75's, and Shore to Shore has a 5 day 175 mile competitive ride. And speaking of "average", Lori Window's Mule, Shaman of the Wallowas, just completed 15,000 miles of competition in July. I believe 14,000 of those miles have been logged in Competitive Riding. Wouldn't it be something if that was "average" for the endurance horse. Elinore Tonsor From: "Sisu West Ranch" <ranch@xxxxxxxxxxx> Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 19:20:19 -0600 To: "k s swigart" <katswig@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>, "Ridecamp" <ridecamp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Subject: Re: [RC] RHR in youngsters "... But wrong to be measuring level of condition, care in riding, and fatigue based on absolute HR numbers...." At least in UMECRA CTR, pulse is only one parameter on the score sheet. It just happens that it is relatively objective and easily influenced by training and riding so much discussion centers around the pulse scores. The other parameters include: Any muscle soreness upon palpation. Heat in any joint. (rarely seen) Objective score of how tired the horse is. (this is the most like a horse show) Lameness. Detailed scoring. You can loose up to 20 points before you get to the grade 2 level that causes a pull in endurance. The horse is watched on circles both ways. Tack and Galls. Just like endurance, but points for things that would allow completion. Manners. Rarely used unless a horse takes a kick at the vet. Yes, I would rather compete in a 50 mile Endurance ride, but CTR is a good sport. The participants are good horsemen and women. The average CTR horse is better trained than many endurance horses. You do not see horses that are uncontrolable at the start. I take exception to the assertion that a CTR horse is rewarded for being "average". While it is true that a horse that has an above average heart rate is at a disadvantage, the horse that has an exceptionally low resting heart rate is at an advantage. A horse that is an exceptionally sound and correct mover is rewarded over an average horse. If Endurance riders who live in regions without a strong CTR program, (I am thinking of a program like UMECRA., which requires a ~6..5 mph pace and does not judge "horsemanship"), would have an opportunity to spend a season (5 to 10 rides) competing in CTR's in addition to Endurance many of them would have to admit that both they and their horses learned a lot. Ed & Wendy Hauser 2994 Mittower Road Victor, MT 59875 (406) 642-9640 ranch(at)sisuwest(dot)us =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Ridecamp is a service of Endurance Net, http://www.endurance.net. Information, Policy, Disclaimer: http://www.endurance.net/Ridecamp Subscribe/Unsubscribe http://www.endurance.net/ridecamp/logon.asp Ride Long and Ride Safe!! =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Ridecamp is a service of Endurance Net, http://www.endurance.net. Information, Policy, Disclaimer: http://www.endurance.net/Ridecamp Subscribe/Unsubscribe http://www.endurance.net/ridecamp/logon.asp Ride Long and Ride Safe!! =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
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