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You are right - I agree about getting the horse focused back on you.
I guess I don't like getting off my horse unless I absolutely have to.
I did bail when he went bucking up a hill about ready to slam into my
other horse on the trail, was totally p.o.'d and made him do some
tight circles in hand.  I got back on him, but the other rider offered
to ride him back home because my adrenaline was raging, and I let her.

But most of the time, I deal with his issues on his back because he's
too tall for me to be mounting comfortably all the time.  And if every
time he spazzes out and if I dismounted, I would be on the ground A
LOT.  He's getting a whole lot better now, no bucking, less jigging,
can go up and down hills without spazzing.

K.

On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 8:10 AM,  <Sheila_Larsen@xxxxxxx> wrote:
> Even if it is dominance then getting control on the ground probably doesn't
> make a whole lot of difference to the horse.   I don't believe it is
> necessarily   reenforcing the behavior.  I think it really depends on alot
> of factors but the important thing is safety and getting the horse focused
> back on you.
> Thanks,
> Sheila
> 916.414.6685
>
> And Allah took a handful of southerly wind, blew His breath over it, and
> created the horse.... Thou shall fly without wings, and conquer without any
> sword.  Oh, horse.  ~Bedouin Legend
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>             "Kathy Mayeda"
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> Maybe other tools will work - like doing tight circles, leg yielding,
> lateral work to keep get his mind being focused back on you.  I like the
> idea of doing small doses of separation, and increasing in length while
> you're out riding.
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> I tend not to hop off unless absolutely necessary because if the horse is
> just being dominant, it is reinforcing that behaviour.  However, it's
> absolutely necessary if it intimidates you because a freaked out person
> doesn't do anyone any good.  When I was riding with a friend and Drako
> started to spaz she said that she would have gotten off of him at that
> moment.  Well, he was able to get me off of him in the past, and I have
> gotten to know his idiosynchrosies a lot better.  I'm not scared.  He's not
> doing anything dangerous.  I stay on.  He just learns to deal with it.
> Story over.
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> Rearing - I don't know.  Never had a rearing horse.  Bucking horse yes!
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> K.
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> On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 2:54 PM, <Sheila_Larsen@xxxxxxx> wrote:
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>  First, NO do not get on the horse if you don't feel it is safe, repeat do
>  NOT get on the horse if you don't feel safe.
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>  Secondly, I would strongly suggest that you incorporate TTeam as Naomi
>  suggested, particularly if you have someone to help you because a person
>  who has experience with TTeam will make it go much faster.  I would add
>  another tool which I have found pretty indespensible which is
>  incorporating
>  clicker training into whatever method you use.  My mare was having a
>  little
>  bit of a nervous breakdown on a training ride so I hopped off and asked
>  her
>  to do an exercise called why would you leave me.  It took less than a
>  minute and I think she felt so secure doing that exercise that she
>  started
>  completely focusing on me.  Teaching them to lower their  head also calms
>  them down.
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>  I might also add that when you leave the other horse you might consider
>  using a bit of acepromazine on the horse being left.  I use it on my mare
>  that has separation anxiety when I take the other one away and leave her
>  at
>  home.  I started out using 3 ccs but got it down to about 1 cc which
>  probably did more for me than her.  I was just about to stop using it
>  altogether when I went a long period of time without leaving her alone.
>  So
>  I started back with the 3 ccs but I don't think she needs it.  Studies
>  have
>  shown that horses can learn will under the influence of a small amount of
>  ace.  Some people may object but it is better than the horse being left
>  getting hurt, and a small dose (ask the vet) on the horse you are riding
>  may not hurt either.  It doesn't take the place of training but it may
>  make
>  the learning happen.  People have told me about horror stories about
>  horses
>  on ace but you need to make that decision yourself.
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>   If you have questions about clicker training, feel free to ask.
>  Thanks,
>  Sheila
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>  And Allah took a handful of southerly wind, blew His breath over it, and
>  created the horse.... Thou shall fly without wings, and conquer without
>  any
>  sword.  Oh, horse.  ~Bedouin Legend
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