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Even if it is dominance then getting control on the ground probably doesn't
make a whole lot of difference to the horse.   I don't believe it is
necessarily   reenforcing the behavior.  I think it really depends on alot
of factors but the important thing is safety and getting the horse focused
back on you.
Thanks,
Sheila
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And Allah took a handful of southerly wind, blew His breath over it, and
created the horse.... Thou shall fly without wings, and conquer without any
sword.  Oh, horse.  ~Bedouin Legend


                                                                          
            "Kathy Mayeda"                                                
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Maybe other tools will work - like doing tight circles, leg yielding,
lateral work to keep get his mind being focused back on you.  I like the
idea of doing small doses of separation, and increasing in length while
you're out riding.

I tend not to hop off unless absolutely necessary because if the horse is
just being dominant, it is reinforcing that behaviour.  However, it's
absolutely necessary if it intimidates you because a freaked out person
doesn't do anyone any good.  When I was riding with a friend and Drako
started to spaz she said that she would have gotten off of him at that
moment.  Well, he was able to get me off of him in the past, and I have
gotten to know his idiosynchrosies a lot better.  I'm not scared.  He's not
doing anything dangerous.  I stay on.  He just learns to deal with it.
Story over.

Rearing - I don't know.  Never had a rearing horse.  Bucking horse yes!

K.




On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 2:54 PM, <Sheila_Larsen@xxxxxxx> wrote:

 First, NO do not get on the horse if you don't feel it is safe, repeat do
 NOT get on the horse if you don't feel safe.

 Secondly, I would strongly suggest that you incorporate TTeam as Naomi
 suggested, particularly if you have someone to help you because a person
 who has experience with TTeam will make it go much faster.  I would add
 another tool which I have found pretty indespensible which is
 incorporating
 clicker training into whatever method you use.  My mare was having a
 little
 bit of a nervous breakdown on a training ride so I hopped off and asked
 her
 to do an exercise called why would you leave me.  It took less than a
 minute and I think she felt so secure doing that exercise that she
 started
 completely focusing on me.  Teaching them to lower their  head also calms
 them down.

 I might also add that when you leave the other horse you might consider
 using a bit of acepromazine on the horse being left.  I use it on my mare
 that has separation anxiety when I take the other one away and leave her
 at
 home.  I started out using 3 ccs but got it down to about 1 cc which
 probably did more for me than her.  I was just about to stop using it
 altogether when I went a long period of time without leaving her alone.
 So
 I started back with the 3 ccs but I don't think she needs it.  Studies
 have
 shown that horses can learn will under the influence of a small amount of
 ace.  Some people may object but it is better than the horse being left
 getting hurt, and a small dose (ask the vet) on the horse you are riding
 may not hurt either.  It doesn't take the place of training but it may
 make
 the learning happen.  People have told me about horror stories about
 horses
 on ace but you need to make that decision yourself.

  If you have questions about clicker training, feel free to ask.
 Thanks,
 Sheila


 And Allah took a handful of southerly wind, blew His breath over it, and
 created the horse.... Thou shall fly without wings, and conquer without
 any
 sword.  Oh, horse.  ~Bedouin Legend


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