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RE: [RC] [RC] Misquoting - heidi

While it is true that the PERMIT goes with the ranch or can be sold to another rancher, the FEES for grazing are paid to the BLM and are figured in AUMs, or "animal unit months."  While the actual AUM fee is not terribly high, when you add to it the other things that the rancher must pay in order to utilize public grazing lands (fencing costs, water maintenance costs, etc.) the price ends up being very similar to the prices charged for leasing comparable grazing lands from private land owners--except that in areas like Idaho where the vast majority of the land is federally-owned, there is little private land available for lease.  (Our county is 93% federal land--and I think the state of Idaho overall is around 85% federal land.)
 
Idaho has feral horses in some areas, particularly in the SW portion of the state.  You may well encounter them when you ride Steph Teeter's rides.
 
I would hardly call natural waterways "abundant" on Idaho rangelands--although there are small creeks here and there, Idaho rangelands are high desert, and many of the creeks are dry later in the summer.  There are springs which can be utilized, but some of them are seasonal as well.  In many areas, water must be carefully stewarded in order to be used--by cattle OR by wildlife!
 
Also, although you may have had liver flukes near the Snake River at Council, they are not a common problem in most of Idaho, due to the desert conditions, and having pathogens passed downstream is not much of a problem, since most places don't have water that flows to anywhere else.
 
Heidi

Barbara, BLM Permits or rights can or used come with the ranch you buy or you can buy it from some other rancher.  I think new permits or rights are closed, or so it was back about 15 - 20 years ago.  If you bought a ranch and the BLM rights were sold off to someone else for their ranch then you were out of luck for BLM grazing rights for your cattle. Most of the state of Idaho, do not have wild horses, or they didn't back then.  Natural water ways are abundant there, but not safe for cattle access nor do the BLM folks want cattle pooping in streams and natural lakes provided by nature.  If that happens then we as lower ranchers have liver parasite problems with the other animals and folks swimming down streams.  Now that is another subject!
 
Tammy Robinson
Trail-Rite Products
18171 Lost Creek Road
Saugus, CA 91390
661/513-9269 office
661/713-3912 cell
661/513-9206 fax
http://www.trail-rite.com/

 
In a message dated 7/19/2008 12:29:37 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, bigcreekranch@xxxxxxxxxxxx writes:
I don't have a problem with created water ponds...they provide wild horses and other animals with needed water, and in the case here at home, they create great frog habitat.  I was always under the impression that ranchers had to pay BLM for grazing rights.  Was I wrong?
 
Barbara
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2008 12:10 PM
Subject: Re: [RC] Misquoting

This sounds good but Cattle ran on BLM do a lot of damage and the ranchers make water ponds, catch pens with large equipment, which also take roads to get to, blah, blah blah....So the Cattle do have private owners that make money on the sale of Cattle which is done by having free feed all summer (or winter in some areas) on BLM land.  I know this first hand.  We used to have a cattle ranch in Council, Idaho, and couldn't wait to move the stock up to the BLM lands with our BLM grazing rights permit....which is funny, that can be sold too!
 
So this just gets deeper as a subject.....
 
Tammy Robinson
Trail-Rite Products
18171 Lost Creek Road
Saugus, CA 91390
661/513-9269 office
661/713-3912 cell
661/513-9206 fax
http://www.trail-rite.com/

 
In a message dated 7/18/2008 7:59:34 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, bigcreekranch@xxxxxxxxxxxx writes:
One good thing that BLM allows is controlled grazing, because such use keeps invasive brush and weeds to a minimum.




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