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You're right.  They are horrible containers.  One could cut off a finger 
trying to access the product within.  I've been tempted to send for one of 
those special gadgets made just for such a job.

Barbara

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dot Wiggins" <dotwgns@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: "Barbara McCrary" <bigcreekranch@xxxxxxxxxxxx>; "David LeBlanc" 
<dleblanc@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>; <rides2far@xxxxxxxx>; <ridecamp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2008 2:28 PM
Subject: Re: [RC] Conserving paper


> And it takes an ax to get them open!!
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Barbara McCrary" <bigcreekranch@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: "David LeBlanc" <dleblanc@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>; <rides2far@xxxxxxxx>; 
> <ridecamp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2008 2:54 PM
> Subject: Re: [RC] Conserving paper
>
>
> > One wasteful practice I hate is the packaging of small items in large 
> > bubble packs or cardboard backs with plastic domes over the item.  I know 
> > they are packaged this way to help prevent theft, but sometimes I would 
> > like to see items sold without packaging at all.  No recycling, no 
> > waste...but probably more theft.
> >
> > Barbara
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "David LeBlanc" <dleblanc@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > To: <rides2far@xxxxxxxx>; <ridecamp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2008 1:18 PM
> > Subject: RE: [RC] Conserving paper
> >
> >
> > > Angie said:
> > >
> > > > "...a National Wildlife Federation study shows that recycling one 
> > > > hundred
> > > tons of newspaper produces forty tons of toxic sludge. Thirteen of the 
> > > 50
> > > worst Superfund hazardous waste dumps were once recycling facilities" 
> > > (also
> > > Taylor of the Cato Institute)
> > >
> > > So we're getting 60 tons of something useful when we would have had 100 
> > > tons
> > > of toxic (remember what I said about the ink?) landfill waste. Seems 
> > > like we
> > > ought to be able to do better than that, but I see an improvement by 60
> > > tons. What this also leaves out completely is how much waste you get out 
> > > of
> > > creating that 100 tons of paper in the first place, and that creates 
> > > quite a
> > > lot of sludge, dioxin, and so on. I don't have the data, but I'd expect 
> > > it's
> > > as much or more than the recycling.
> > >
> > > The water treatment effects of paper creation is mostly what makes the 
> > > paper
> > > vs. plastic grocery bag debate come out pretty close to a draw.
> > >
> > > Many of the really, really bad superfund sites were around recycling
> > > lead-acid batteries. My father told me about a dead _swamp_ he visited 
> > > in
> > > Florida that had this problem. Lead and sulfuric acid are nasty things.
> > >
> > > My last bout of grad school was environmental engineering - people who 
> > > do
> > > that don't tend to be the Greenpeace tree-hugger sorts, but we do get 
> > > taught
> > > how to properly treat emissions from places like paper mills, as that's
> > > often where the jobs are.
> > >
> > > Figuring out how to deal with all of the waste we emit is a big problem, 
> > > and
> > > just about anything you can name that we use is a disposal problem.
> > >
> > >
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