Home Current News News Archive Shop/Advertise Ridecamp Classified Events Learn/AERC
Endurance.Net Home Ridecamp Archives
ridecamp@endurance.net
[Archives Index]   [Date Index]   [Thread Index]   [Author Index]   [Subject Index]

RE: [RC] [RC] The Meaning of Endurance Riding - Catfish Daniels

The article on Dave in the current issue of EN is a great article. In my opinion it describes endurance as a sport that can be both, competitive and recreational. To be able to have over 35,000 competition miles says a lot - and I would think that Dave has whitnessed and experienced this sport from most angles and perspectives. I think it's a great thing to see a horse that has thousands of career miles and is still going strong. I believe that racing time after time will indeed break down your horse quicker - but then there are so many variables - rest between races, conformation of the horse, and even the knowledge, ability and balance of the rider - and most of all luck. How much risk is someone willing to take within the boundaries of being responsible. Then there are those who indeed make endurance riding their life. They have a goal to win - and they take all the proper steps to achieve that goal - whether it is one particular ride like Tevis, or any other ride. I think the great thing about this sport is that you can be just as popular and have just as many friends whether you take 12 hrs to complete a 50, or finish 1st and have a healthy horse. So far I have determined that it's the people of the endurance community that make this sport great - and that victories come in many different forms and at the end of the day they remain no more than a very special "personal achievement".

I come from a very competitive background in another sports discipline and my opinion about riding vs. racing might be different than others. At the very least, I have seen people become more competitive in general...life, work, and certainly sports. With the help of more knowledge, science, nutrition and training methods, the competitive become more competitive. I think that spills over into our sport as well. Non-horse people who don't know what it takes to achieve a mere "completion", would probably not want to become fans and watch recreational riders do a 50 or a 100. They want to see some action. Look at Tevis - the tension and excitement of watching the leader boards at Forest Hill is enough to get anybody's blood rushing.

With the international endurance community seeking more recognition and popularity, the U.S. riders will try to keep up with that. In my opinion, given what I know from our competitive U.S. riders, they are amazing - and will continue to learn and grow and implement new and advanced training techniques, nutrition, etc. and share it with anybody who wants to know. Although I certainly don't think that everybody's going to convert to "racing" vs. riding I believe that in time "racing" might not be such a "negative" term anymore. All the ever so increasing research that is going into nutrition, science, and training I believe will eventually open so many more doors and riders will consitently prove their success in not only competing, but competing and winning responsibly. I think there will always be, and should always be a distinct difference of crossing the finish line first, and earning high mileage - and both should be equally honored, accepted, rewarded and supported.

Catfish

From: Carolyn Burgess <carolyn@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Reply-To: carolyn@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
To: Steph Teeter <stephteeter@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>, ridecamp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: [RC]   The Meaning of Endurance Riding
Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 13:03:51 -0800 (PST)

I'm relatively new to this sport, but have ridden horses since I was a kid. I never competed as a kid, the only thing I ever competed at as an adult was hunter paces. I did like winning, but other than guessing the correct time to cover the course, it doesn't require alot of skill. I've always love trail riding. Endurance is for me a way to ride - alot.

To me, "To finish is to win" says it all. In reality, I don't care about endurance outside of North America. It is meanless to me. I have no desire to pack my horse onto a plane, and fly outside of my beloved US to compete. FEI is meanless to me unless I happen to choose to ride at an FEI/AERC ride. When I did do that in 2004 at Fairhill, all it did was add a little amusement as we vetted in. They called our name, we vetted in, and the annoucer said that we had passed inspection.

To me, finishing riding 50 miles is an accomplishment in and of itself. I have many horse friends who are unable to do this. Getting me and my horse across the finish line in good condition is my only desire. Would I race to the finish if given the opportunity, absolutely. Would I be heartbroken if someone beat me across the finishline, no, it happens all the time. I'm just happy to be able to get on my horse and ride.

Carolyn Burgess

Steph Teeter <stephteeter@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
I'd like to see some serious, civil discussion on the concept of Endurance 'Riding' vs Endurance 'Racing'.


I'm headed back to UAE next week to cover the Presidents Cup 160km event (Feb 18). In UAE as well as most of the rest of the world, there is a strong emphasis on Winning, and along with it a focus on Training to Win. I'm sure there are many exceptions, but as the sport grows around the world, it is developing more as a competition, a 'race', then as a recreational 'ride'. Not everybody tries to win at every event - many use events as training and conditioning - preparation for a time when a particular horse can excel - do it's best. Riders and trainers are not stupid in this respect, but there is more definitely an eye on a final goal of winning, excelling, doing the best ride for a given horse on a given day.

I don't think there are a lot of career 'mileage' riders in most of the rest of the world, at least in my experience and observation. The horses and riders that are most honored are the ones that do well at an event, especially if they can have a career of doing well.

Some thoughts...

will the rest of the world eventually be more like the US? as their riders mature, their experience grows? Will they value the horse and rider that log thousands of miles as much, or more than the horse and rider that win championships? Will they compete less and complete more?

or will we eventually change? as our next generation of riders grows up with a more global view of the sport and perhaps set their sites on International competition, championship victories? or will our sport split, into Endurance Riding and Endurance Racing ? Are they compatible? AERC seems to try to embrace both styles - awarding high point riders and horses as well as high mileage and career achievements. is this sustainable?

thoughts? It would especially be fun to hear from some new folks out there -

Steph
-----Original Message-----
From: ridecamp-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:ridecamp-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Merryben@xxxxxxx
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2006 10:52 AM
To: ridecamp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [RC] The Meaning of Endurance Riding



Everyone should read Cyndee Pryor's article about Dave Rabe in this month's EN. That is what this sport is about.



_________________________________________________________________
Don?t just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/



=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=


Ridecamp is a service of Endurance Net, http://www.endurance.net.
Information, Policy, Disclaimer: http://www.endurance.net/Ridecamp
Subscribe/Unsubscribe http://www.endurance.net/ridecamp/logon.asp

Ride Long and Ride Safe!!

=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=


Replies
RE: [RC] The Meaning of Endurance Riding, Carolyn Burgess