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RE: [RC] Arabian Definitions - John TeeterThanks for the numbers (but I was really looking for something more useful - (#foals/year) and(#5yr endurance careers started/yr) - a quantity metric and a quality metric. You gave numbers only in quantity (w/o stating over what time-frame - Hyannis bred 425 horse over 20 years? And Hyannis and Lois Russel are not in the game any more, so Van Guilders, Canyonside, Belesemo and Sagehill. 4 significant programs which might be looked at more closely. *Hyannis bred 425 horses. VanGilders have bred 285. *Lois Russell bred 147. Canyonside has bred 102. Belesemo has bred 89. Sagehill has bred 80 (*) - no longer active Would you list for me, the top 10 breeders of endurance mounts in the US today Well, as I said above, I won't venture to name them across the US- But we should be looking across the US, nay across the globe if we are really looking to understand the direction endurance is taking the bloodlines (which was the original direction of this discussion). The Shagya's and the Arabian/StandardBred Crosses. They been breeding for endurance in Uruguay for 40+ years - and Luna Llena (http://www.endurance.net/2005PAC/info.html) exemplified their programs exceptionally well at the PanAm. Maybe if I have time this winter I'll try to run some stats for some of the other programs Will look forward to the results! should be interesting and useful! As for lines, the various local variations on Crabbet-plus and pre-WWII lines predominate pretty much everywhere, from what I can see. In this country, the lines that rise to the top in endurance with much more frequency than they start are CMK, pre-WWII Polish, and various early desert imports, with a few smatterings of early breeding from other sources. In Oz, it's Crabbet/Colonial breeding--much the same thing. In Europe, Persik is as good an example as any--3/8 Crabbet, 3/8 pre-WWII Polish, and 1/4 pre-WWII French. The key is the old breeding before people altered it for "aesthetic" purposes. And that basic concept is pretty much in play in top horses world-wide. The above pretty much summarizes your opinion on the blood-lines question. Good. It would be nice to hear from others as well. But your basic premise is clearly stated above. as to: The issues regarding riders ARE on point, since breeders cannot get their horses to the forefront WITHOUT riders. here is how Haras San Andreas Del Moro deals with that problem - http://www.endurance.net/2005PAC/gallery/MondayOnTheBeach/pages/IMG_7288.html Rather than complain that riders aren't buying their (unproven) horses to bring along, they train/compete their best themselves. They bring lots of competitors to their rides; They consistently targent them to competitive finishes. They compete their offspring themselves at a significant scale. This, I think, is one of the things that differentiate some of the various programs around the world. When a significant part of your program involves the active proving of your offspring, then you begin to shape your program to the, more controlled, results. If you always sell your 4 year olds, you loose that next 3 years of controlled feedback on the program - you disperse your population and allow too many other factors into the equation? jt. (I decided just to footnote some of your extraneous comments: ============ ... US riders frequently have NO clue about the breeding of the horses they are riding, The above is YOUR opinion and does insult the US rider population! shame on you!! (what was the old finger peeling gesture from grade school??:) ... various breeders who would fancy themselves endurance breeders without doing the homework. and pile on an insult to a (large?) group of breeders! And sadly, John, you are right up there with the majority of riders in this country. And a specifically belittling remark targeted a moi'! But I set you up -- while I'm not a horse guy, I don't really have to be as I rely on my trainer/coach (i.e. Steph) for mount selection. So, go ahead, pick on me:) ... but you should be more careful where you point your stick!!:) - but this is all a distraction from the main point ... =========== =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Ridecamp is a service of Endurance Net, http://www.endurance.net. Information, Policy, Disclaimer: http://www.endurance.net/Ridecamp Subscribe/Unsubscribe http://www.endurance.net/ridecamp/logon.asp Ride Long and Ride Safe!! =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
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