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Re: [RC] response to Heidi - heidiI use my spammer email because I don't want my personal email to be flamed by people like you. enough said on that. Keep it public, maybe you will be civilized. Well, I replied to you publicly as well, but ridecamp has also had quite a "binge" of fake e-mails, so when your server told me that yours didn't exist, it does make me a tad suspicious. I've relayed to you what biologists have relayed to me. So there is binge killing of elk; are you saying God made a mistake when he made the wolf, that perhaps he didn't know what he was doing. Perhaps HE thinks if 19 elks get slaughtered at once then the NATURAL order says the population needs to be reduced. Think of the whole picture, Heidi, not just the world of the cattleman... Kimberly, PEOPLE tried to play God here, and put wolves where wolves don't belong. I would submit that I AM the one looking at the whole picture here--and I sincerely wish you would do the same. I don't believe in my post anywhere that I said animals are incapable of having fun. Your statement is an example of how people perceive things differently, geared toward their own arguement most likely. I thought I wrote about predator drive. I'm sure they take pleasure in it too, do you take pleasure in eating a good steak? We allow them to capture so many animals by putting them in enclosed pastures all together where they cannot disperse. Who said they didn't have fun while they were doing it and so what? What you stated was that in the "natural" order of things, the prey can get away, so that the wolves will stop at just killing one or two. I invite you to come see with your own eyes that this is not true. I also invite you to come talk to some of the biologists who now admit that they were asked to cover up the true nature of what was happening to further political agendas. Some of us LIVE out here in the "real world"--and we sure wish those of you who don't would come out and see what it is really like before you try to tell us all about it. The wolves are being REINTRODUCED to areas they were wiped out of by man and poisons. All because other predators have moved in doesn't mean they don't belong in these original places. There are very few wild places left in the lower 48 that can sustain wolves but hey, feedlots can support cattle! The above statement tells me two things--1) you know nothing about the natural history of this area, and 2) you know nothing about cattle. I also know plenty of hunters who go after elk every year, they pay big bucks to hunt the big bucks and the big racks so bullsh*t otherwise. I also have family that go after vension for eating, these are the 1-2 year olds, button bucks are the most tender. Are you telling me your people don't get off on big racks and would go after a big bull because of the meat? Then they don't know what they are missing! Oh, most of the big racks become hamburger mixed with a fatty meat cause it is to tough and strong to eat otherwise. As one who grew up on wild game, I can tell you from personal experience that the LAST thing a good meat hunter goes after is the big buck or the big bull. Those are sought after by the sports hunters. Those of us who HAVE had to live on wild meat want to eat something besides spiced sausage and jerky--which is about what the big bulls in the rut are good for. (Yeah, there are a lot of pounds there--but not really any more than a good tasty dry cow or doe--those are what the meat hunters take. And the meat hunters are in the minority now.) See paragraph one about Gods plans and the natural order of things including overpopulation for a reply to the healthy slaughter of young elk by wolves. BTW, the order includes a natural increase of prey animals nad predators as well as decrease of both, they are tied together at the hip. Perhaps open your mind and read about such things, you will be surprised. Again, the wolves are a matter of man's interference gone wrong. So don't go quoting God here--this ISN'T the "natural" order of things. And PLE-ZZZE, cattle are hoofed locusts! Next time you go out look at the riparian habitat in the area, you know, the streams where cattle stand in the water all day and shit in it, destroying the habitat for the rest of the creatures. We have a mountain here that is Open Space but came with a price, the original dairy owner keeps his herd on it. Forget wildflowers, there aren't any, and all water has to be wired off or it will be destroyed by the cattle. Ma'am, what you just described is a feedlot--not a cattle range. Please come see a cattle range--perhaps you might learn something yourself. What a concept! Heidi ============================================================ In my experience (22 year worth) most endurance riders are great people who will go out their way to help and be friendly. ~ Laura Hayes ridecamp.net information: http://www.endurance.net/ridecamp/ ============================================================
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