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Re: [RC] AERC Reply to Request of 2002 Horse Death Info - Jim Holland

Lynne Glazer wrote:

 Do you know
for a fact that those 8 deaths were at rides that don't have more than
one mid-ride check?

How would I know? AERC provides NO informtaion regarding horse deaths!
I'm going on second hand information, emails from people who were
"there", and anything else I can scrounge up.  That's what I'm trying to
determine.  Why don't you ask your directors for the information and see
what YOU get and let me know?

I think your jibe about California is unwarranted--you are referring to
incorporation rules that just say that the books are OPEN, and it's
unworthy of you.

Sorry...didn't intend for it to come out that way. (Hmmm...I'm getting
bad at putting the wrong "spin" on things lately) It wasn't a slame
against California, just that there have been many comments on how
"open" AERC meetings are...had nothing to do with California law, except
that the reply from AERC quoted it...I didn't.

In *any* case, there is no way to determine whether a horse has died
immediately subsequent to an endurance ride--after they're home.  You
don't know that it hasn't happened in the SE.

Actually, unless it were an unknown horse and rider, everyone would
probably know. The Endurance Community in the SE is pretty tight.
Actually, a couple of years ago, Nikki Young's horse Breathless died
over a week after a ride from a gut problem, but there's no indication
it was related...experienced rider and lots of miles on the horse.
Wesley Crow dedicated his ride T-shirt that year to Breathless. We WOULD
probably know. 

I'm not worried about the ones who die after they go home at this
point.  That is obviously a concern, but lets crawl before we walk. I
just want to address the ones that die AT a ride. Seems no one is even
trying to reduce that number.  Worrying about what happens later is just
muddying the water.  If you elminate the ones that die AT a ride, it is
a logical conclusion that you will surely reduce the number that die
later at home.

I'd also like to know why you are assuming that these deaths all
resulted from horse abuse.  The only death I know of that may have been
counted was a friend's horse who got an intestinal twist in the night
after her turtle 11+ hr 50, he survived the surgery well, and two days
later developed an infection, the 5th day after the ride he was
euthanized.  Is that considered a "death at the ride"?

I didn't say ALL of them did, nor did I say "abuse".  I just said
"died".  Again, why don't you ask your directors and get back to me? 
Hope you have better luck than I have so far. No, IMO, that's not a
"death at a ride", but the ride may have been a contributing factor.  As
Dr. Ken Marcella has pointed out numerous times, sometimes going too
slow can cause problems. 

Jim, Sun of Dimanche, and Mahada Magic

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Re: [RC] AERC Reply to Request of 2002 Horse Death Info, Lynne Glazer