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Re: [RC] [Guest] Trailer ramps - Bonnie Davis

Hey, we'll have to get together and compare 'flame proof suits'.  I'm used
to it -- I work with federal agencies on trails......

I just write what I feel -- as do others.  And some of it is actually part
of my lecture -- just in writing instead of words.  But I do have one
personal law (which I've said when I give lectures).  That is:

You can pick a fight with my husband, yell at me all day long but don't EVER
say anything against my horses.....

As we all know, our individual horses are the best in the country.  Or as
another friend of mine said, her horse's poop don't smell.  Now my horse's
poop is another smell....

And as my mother used to tell me, if you can't say something nice -- just
don't say anything at all.

Bonnie Davis

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Holland" <lanconn@xxxxxxx>
To: "Bonnie Davis" <horsecamping@xxxxxxxxx>; "Ridecamp"
Sent: Friday, January 10, 2003 5:35 AM
Subject: Re: [RC] [Guest] Trailer ramps

Hey, Bonnie, lighten up!

First thing you gotta have if you play on Ridecamp is a flame suit!
<grin>  Don't let it get to you.  (I have several used ones I will loan
you) :)  Remember, that sometimes when you say things in "text" people
who read it don't always get the same "feeling" about it as if it were

I tried ramps...didn't like 'em...looked like a good idea, but turned
out to be a pain. I teach my horses to get on anything. Think Sunny
would load and ride in the back of a pickup truck. My horse that leaped
over the ramp only did it a couple of times.  At first, I couldn't
figure out what his problem was.  Once I did, I removed the ramp, then
taught him to walk back and forth across it on the ground, then added a
log under the front.  After that, it was a ho-hum.  He was not the
"sharpest knife in the drawer" anyway...guess he thought it was an

Many years back, one of my "western game" buddies had his horse's back
feet go under a step up. Fortunately, we had done a lot of "fooling
around" with our horses, laying them down, playing with them down, etc.
We got him to lie still while we drove the truck forward....only had a
couple of mild scrapes. Fluke accident...leafy nice spot to take
off...he slipped on a piece of tin under the leaves. Stuff happens, no
matter what you do.  If ramps work for you, and you feel safer with
them, then use 'em!

And you should here the "wise cracks" I get about my Arabians around
here. They think I'm crazy to ride Arabs....nothing but Walkers and
Quarters here.

Jim, Sun of Dimanche, and Mahada Magic

Bonnie Davis wrote:

OK, you guys win.....for those that mailed me privately, I'll go public!
hate e-mails that don't have people's names on them!)

I will go up to barn tomorrow and put a 'For Sale' on my ramp trailer.

And as for the 'wise crack' about the horses I've owed.  I will shoot
and buy nothing but ARABS!!

But I'm also from the 'old school' and I firmly believe that if one
say something nice about someone else -- or their horses -- don't say
anything at all......

Bonnie Davis

----- Original Message -----
From: "Heidi Smith" <heidi@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: "Bonnie Davis" <horsecamping@xxxxxxxxx>; "Jim Holland"
<lanconn@xxxxxxx>; "Ridecamp" <ridecamp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, January 09, 2003 10:52 PM
Subject: Re: [RC] [Guest] Trailer ramps

 But I've never seen a horse slip and go under the end of a ramp
and break a let.  I've seen two of those with step-up trailers --
unloading on blacktop at a horse show and the horse spooked and
leg under the step up which the horse broke.  The other on dirt when
horse 'fell' out, sat down and went over backwards with both legs
under step-up.  One leg broke, the other skinned to bone.

I've euthanized one horse that broke a leg on a ramp (slipped off the
of it and the leg went underneath it) and know of at least one other
was euthanized at an endurance ride by someone else, and have likewise
degloving injuries on ramps.  They are no assurance that such an
not happen.  In fact, given the narrower space underneath a ramp, if a
DOES slip off of one and get a leg underneath, an injury of that sort
more apt to happen than under the wider space of the step-up, although
know such injuries have occurred with step-ups as well.

I didn't read Jim's response, but have been following this thread
somewhat--and you can add me to the list of folks who have had both
will never again own a ramp.  Although we had no trouble training any
horses to load with the ramp, we had far more slippage and problem
ramp that I had EVER had with a step-up trailer (and yes, I've had the
straight-load two-horse variety where they had to back out, as well as
having the open format where they could turn around if they choose).
one trailer I had with a ramp I finally took to a shop and had the
thing removed, as it was fortunately one that had full doors.


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Blue Ridge, GA 30513
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[RC] [Guest] Trailer ramps, Ridecamp Guest
Re: [RC] [Guest] Trailer ramps, Jim Holland
Re: [RC] [Guest] Trailer ramps, Bonnie Davis
Re: [RC] [Guest] Trailer ramps, Heidi Smith
Re: [RC] [Guest] Trailer ramps, Bonnie Davis
Re: [RC] [Guest] Trailer ramps, Jim Holland