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But that is USEF, not AERC.  So - while it may not impact the WEG, it  
does impact grass-roots AERC competitions.


On May 5, 2009, at 2:59 PM, Kristen A Fisher wrote:

> Most breeds and disciplines that compete under USEF Rules are  
> subject to the
> Therapeutic Substance Provisions (GR410-412). The Endurance  
> Discipline is
> subject to the No Foreign Substance Provisions (GR 409).
>
> http://www.usef.org/documents/ruleBook/2009/03-general%20rules.pdf
>
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: ridecamp-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > [mailto:ridecamp-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Elizabeth Walker
> > Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 4:02 PM
> > To: Ridecamp
> > Subject: Re: [RC] Yucca in horse feed - illegal?
> >
> > Just to complicate things, it turns out that yucca is allowed by USEF
> > - I was curious, so I sent off an email.  Their reply is
> > below.  While AERC doesn't need to operate under USEF rules,
> > what about endurance riders in FEI rides?  Or is that yet
> > another set of drug rules?
> >
> > -------
> > Dear Elizabeth,
> >
> > Yucca is permitted under the Therapeutic Substance Provision
> > of the USEF Drugs and Medications Rule.
> >
> > Sincerely,
> > Diana Tartal
> > United States Equestrian Federation
> > The Equine Drugs and Medications Program
> > ------
> >
> >
> >
> > On May 5, 2009, at 1:27 PM, Elizabeth Walker wrote:
> >
> > > Clearance times don't really apply in this case, as the
> > problem is the
> > > horse feed itself.  The yucca is in a vitamin/mineral/probiotic
> > > additive that is manufactured by AllTech (2010 WEG sponsor), and is
> > > added to all of the Triple Crown feeds to provide a balanced
> > vitamin/
> > > mineral profile.  So - Triple Crown Senior, Lite, and all
> > their other
> > > feeds have it in them.
> > >
> > > Withholding it means that you have to change your horses diet to an
> > > all-hay diet the week before, and during a competition, which isn't
> > > practical.
> > >
> > > (I find it ironic that the company that is sponsoring the 2010 WEG
> > > makes the product that Triple Crown adds to their feed, and which
> > > contains an AERC banned substance.)
> > >
> > > On May 5, 2009, at 1:12 PM, steveb@xxxxxxx wrote:
> > >
> > > > Yucca is on the AERC list.  If you go to AERC.org, then to the
> > > > membership drop-down, then rules & regulations, the appendices list
> > > > the banned drugs.
> > > > I'm not sure where I got this information, but I remember
> > that Yucca
> > > > clears from the horses system in three days.  Someone else
> > might have
> > > > good information on this.  It's not on the list on the AERC
> > site that
> > > > tells how long compounds remain detectable.
> > > >
> > > > Steve
> > > >
> > > > On Tue, May 5, 2009 12:27 pm, Elizabeth Walker wrote:
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Evidently.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > I contacted Mellisa Ribley about it, as I recently switched to
> > > > > Triple Crown.  (Didn't even notice the yucca until it got pointed
> > > > > out.) According to the answer I got - Yucca is on the prohibited
> > > > > substance list, as it has anti-inflammatory properties,
> > and there is
> > > > > no way to tell how much of it is in the feed in a non-FDA approved
> > > > > feed.  "The recommendation is to use these products/feeds with
> > > > > caution during competition as it is the rider/iowners
> > responsibility
> > > > > as to what is present in the horse during the time of  
> > > > > competition."
> > > > >
> > > > > I haven't contacted Triple Crown yet, though someone else reported
> > > > > that their rep said it "wouldn't test".  The yucca isn't added for
> > > > > its anti-inflammatory action.  It is added because it will
> > bind with
> > > > > ammonia in the large intestine, and be excreted in the manure,
> > > > > rather than in the urine.  From their web site:
> > > > >
> > > > > ----
> > > > > One of the most common feeding errors is over-feeding protein. A
> > > > > small amount of protein is converted to energy, but much of the
> > > > > excess protein produces high levels of ammonia in the large
> > > > > intestine. Ammonia absorbed into the blood inhibits
> > performance due
> > > > > to increased joint unsoundness, abnormal electrolyte balance,
> > > > > decreased immune response, and poor energy metabolism. The yucca
> > > > > extract binds with the ammonia and passes it out through the feces
> > > > > without allowing absorption into the bloodstream and subsequent
> > > > > release through the urine. A beneficial side effect of reducing
> > > > > urine output of ammonia is air quality improvement. This reduces
> > > > > irritation to the horse's respiratory tract and reduces
> > > > > complications with air passage disorders. -----
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > This one just irks me, as I don't like the idea that a drug rule
> > > > > would discourage or prohibit me from buying a horse feed that I
> > > > > thought was the best value / quality / what have you, for
> > my horse.
> > > > > Gee - maybe we ought to ensure that we only allow our horses grass
> > > > > pasture and water, as that is the closest to a horses "natural
> > > > > potential".  Oats, high-powered grains, fats, electrolytes
> > - all of
> > > > > that enhances our horses competitive ability, too!
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On May 5, 2009, at 11:02 AM, Shelly Williams wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > OK, I just got a new horse (see ya at OD!), and he has
> > been eating
> > > > > > Southern States Triple Crown Complete, which has in the
> > ingredients
> > > > > > list "yucca schidigera extract". Is this a no-no?
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