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I did not find that the riders are sanctioned.  There is a rider who started the Cooley Ranch Ride and then came back and raised hell because the "ride manager told her it would not rain."  Anyway, she went home and stopped payment on her check.  She is still riding rides and no one seems to want to do anything.  However, I am ride secretary for a lot of rides and I have a really long memory about stuff like that so eventually she will come to one of my rides and not be allowed to ride until she pays her debt to the Cooley Ranch Ride.....mb

 

 

On 2/14/08, Michael Maul <mmaul@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

In response to:"This seems to be a one way street here and not to
the benefit of the riders. If a rider fails to pay, check bounces,
etc., there is a very clear path with precedent where the AERC
will sanction the rider for such non payment. On the other hand
what you are saying is that even if the RM has stated in writing a
given refund policy but does not live up to the contract then it's
the rider's tough luck? The AERC is an organization of riders."

I'm not sure what you mean if a rider fails to pay - there is a
clear route...

Other than once maintaining a short list of riders who have
bounced a number of checks with different ride managers - AERC
doesn't normally do anything concerning a rider - ride manager or
vendor interaction like this.  The only "clear path" I remember is
that one rider was sanctioned for multiple bounced checks to a
number of ride managers.  And that only happened after a member of
the BoD made it their personal agenda.  So I don't really call
that a "clear path".

What AERC does do is that if the ride manager doesn't pay the ride
fees - the results don't get published.  SERA had an example of
this a few years ago. And the ride manager finds it difficult to
get sanctioning in the future.  In past history - we have had at
least one very well known ride manager who had to pay the likely
ride fees in advance to get sanctioning.

We don't have any requirements on how a ride manager handles
refunds and other costs at a ride.  I've had calls where vendors
wanted AERC to suspend a rider for non-payment to them, vets for
non-payment of treatment costs by riders, and not paying farrier
bills at a ride to name a few.

I think past AERC BoDs have tried to keep things as simple as
possible in requirements of ride managers.  For example getting
involved in whether the rider met the conditions for a refund is
not something that I'd want to see AERC involved in even if there
was a refund policy.

I'll say this personally that I think all ride managers should
have a published refund policy in their flyer.  I see a lot of
flyers when I put them on the AERC ride calendar for managers
and of the last 5 - one had "NO SHOW: NO REFUND" and the other
four had no refund policy.

I'm not even really sure what No show - No refund" means either.
Does it mean if you call ahead and say you are not coming - it
means you get a refund? Or you come to the ride and fail the vet
in - then get a refund?  I'm am sure that if you don't call and
don't show - there's no refund.

I think it's worth considering.  Ask Susan or Joe to bring it up
at the convention.  I do think given the individualistic group of
people that we have running rides - more restrictions would be
resisted even if well intentioned.

Mike




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