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Re: [RC] rider option - John Teeter

would be best to ask the vet committee to specifically answer the question soas to insure uniform application of the process (as it is an AERC process:)?

in the case that the horse has passed the vet evaluation (for example coming in off a loop and pulsing down and being judged fit2continue and "passed" by the vet signing the vet card -- then if the horse is not eating and the rider figures that's it for the day, ?the pass/fail result of the "post withdrawal examination" isn't the one refered to in the article and would not be used to assign a pull code. IMO, the gate-in-2-hold evaluation, which resulted in fit to continue, would be the one being referenced Melissa's article.

That is, the the article is refereing to the most recent "in competition" vet exam, ?not the "post withdrawal" evaluation. The post withdrawal exam (results) has meaning in the seond sentence which you quoted. It would be the one which determine, if ?it's RO which of the refinements to assign( L,M, SF, or nothing) to the RO pull.

but clearly the AERC needs to make this clear. ?These pull codes only have any meaning/usefulness if they are defined uniformly throughout all sanctioned events. AERC isn't a regional organization:)

jt

On Jan 14, 2008, at 5:10 PM, Katrina Mosshammer wrote:

You're right it is the way the AERC?rules are but I don't know FEI so that why I was only speaking of that which I have first hand knowledge of. Also I know how we do things in CT but I've never ridden outside CT so I didn't want to speak for something that I have no knowledge of. I?didn't mean to imply that things?were done differently among AERC rides.
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As to the various RO codes that brings up a debate that we have had among managers for quite some time. And I know that there are differing?opinions in different regions and among?RMs?on how exactly to apply those codes.
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to quote?Melissa Ribley's article in the May 2005 issue:
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"Similar to the RO code, RO-L and RO-M codes are to be used only if the veterinarian has examined and passed the horse as fit to continue. If, after the horse has passed the exam, the rider then decides the horse is not right due to either a lameness or metabolic issue, then the RO-L or RO-M codes should be used. "
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My interpretation of that is that the vet must clear the horse, if they do not clear the horse, regardless of whether the rider had already decided to quit, it is a vet pull. That's how?I interpret it and what I require at my ride.
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Katrina


From: John Teeter [mailto:johnt@xxxxxxxxx]
Sent: January 14, 2008 5:50 PM
To: Katrina Mosshammer
Cc: Sbolinge@xxxxxxx; ridecamp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [RC] rider option

two things about this. a) All AERC events require vet evaluation upon elimination or with-drawal . search the rules and you'll find the specific rule.

2)AERC also defines RO-L, RO-M, RO-SF, as well as RO - if the vet evaluation (following a RO) reveals a L, then the pull code is RO-L not L.

It is only when the vets initiate the elimination (as in the control point evaluations or upon evaluation on the course), that the L and/or Metabolic pull codes are to be used. (at least i think that is what we have been told by AERC).

I think this is how AERC defines it no matter the size or location of AERC sanctioned events.

jt

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Replies
[RC] rider option, Sbolinge
RE: [RC] rider option, Katrina Mosshammer
Re: [RC] rider option, John Teeter
RE: [RC] rider option, Katrina Mosshammer