Home Current News News Archive Shop/Advertise Ridecamp Classified Events Learn/AERC
Endurance.Net Home Ridecamp Archives
ridecamp@endurance.net
[Archives Index]   [Date Index]   [Thread Index]   [Author Index]   [Subject Index]

Fw: [RC] public lands grazing - Dot Wiggins

Barbara is correct, there are fees. and upkeep the ranchers must do.  Forest Service and BLM grazing rights are often tied to a particular ranch.  The regs may have changed but FS permits stayed with the ranch unless the FS pulled the permits, can only be sold to another rancher that already has a permit in that district.  Usually if a rancher buys a ranch he gets the permits, but often the FS has the right to cut the numbers allowed.    I think BLM permits are more flexable.  There is an annual per head grazing fee charged each year.  The fee is (or used to be) based on the market value of livestock.   Fees change with prices.  FS and BLM control how many cattle or sheep can go on and what dates they can start and when they must leave each allotment.   Rancher must maintain the water sources, and all the fences.   They do not get free pasture. 
 I know when you were living in Council, Tammy, and there isn't much BLM but a lot of FS in Adams county.  Don't think it has changed much since. 
There has  been no free grazing since the Taylor Grazing act in the early 30s went in.
Before then is when most of the serious over use of the range took place.
 
There are a few horses still in the Crane Creek area east of Midvale. There was maybe 100 head, as late as early, mid 80s, but not many now. There are quite a few bands in Owyhee County, and I'm sure in the further eastern counties of Idaho   The corner of Idaho Oregon and Nevada has a lot of "wild" horses.
 
To make this endurance related,  if it wasn't for the water sources, roads and trails the ranchers keep open, and the loggers as well,  much of our FS/BLM  public land would be unsuitable for endurance rides.   Game trails are not very acceptable to many of our riders.   They were not popular on the rides I put on here. (;>) 
 
 
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2008 2:15 PM
Subject: Re: [RC] Misquoting

Barbara, BLM Permits or rights can or used come with the ranch you buy or you can buy it from some other rancher.  I think new permits or rights are closed, or so it was back about 15 - 20 years ago.  If you bought a ranch and the BLM rights were sold off to someone else for their ranch then you were out of luck for BLM grazing rights for your cattle. Most of the state of Idaho, do not have wild horses, or they didn't back then.  Natural water ways are abundant there, but not safe for cattle access nor do the BLM folks want cattle pooping in streams and natural lakes provided by nature.  If that happens then we as lower ranchers have liver parasite problems with the other animals and folks swimming down streams.  Now that is another subject!
 
Tammy Robinson
Trail-Rite Products
18171 Lost Creek Road
Saugus, CA 91390
661/513-9269 office
661/713-3912 cell
661/513-9206 fax
www.trail-rite.com

 
In a message dated 7/19/2008 12:29:37 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, bigcreekranch@xxxxxxxxxxxx writes:
I don't have a problem with created water ponds...they provide wild horses and other animals with needed water, and in the case here at home, they create great frog habitat.  I was always under the impression that ranchers had to pay BLM for grazing rights.  Was I wrong?
 
Barbara
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2008 12:10 PM
Subject: Re: [RC] Misquoting

This sounds good but Cattle ran on BLM do a lot of damage and the ranchers make water ponds, catch pens with large equipment, which also take roads to get to, blah, blah blah....So the Cattle do have private owners that make money on the sale of Cattle which is done by having free feed all summer (or winter in some areas) on BLM land.  I know this first hand.  We used to have a cattle ranch in Council, Idaho, and couldn't wait to move the stock up to the BLM lands with our BLM grazing rights permit....which is funny, that can be sold too!
 
So this just gets deeper as a subject.....
 
Tammy Robinson
Trail-Rite Products
18171 Lost Creek Road
Saugus, CA 91390
661/513-9269 office
661/713-3912 cell
661/513-9206 fax
www.trail-rite.com

 
In a message dated 7/18/2008 7:59:34 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, bigcreekranch@xxxxxxxxxxxx writes:
One good thing that BLM allows is controlled grazing, because such use keeps invasive brush and weeds to a minimum.




Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today.




Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today.