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Good Grief Truman........

None of your little tantrum seems to speak to what I wrote. Who were 
you writing to?

Don Huston

At 04:28 PM 7/9/2008 Wednesday, you wrote:
> Wait just a cotton pickin minute as my Granddaddy used to say. David 
> put out a very good cost analysis of what it takes to put on a ride 
> and yes it cost more to mark 50 miles of trail than 25. People 
> should be grateful to people like Dave that is willing to spend his 
> own money to help ride managers and people should be grateful to 
> RM's that spend hundreds of dollars of their own money to put one 
> rides. Here you go bashing him - give me a frigging break. With the 
> cost of fuel we should be even more grateful.
>
> I hate doing a 50 on a 25 mile loop done twice. I get bored and my 
> horse gets bored. The rides I have managed had 50 miles of trails so 
> the riders didn't have to repeat. Did I have to do it - nope. Did it 
> cost more for scouting, laying out and marking - it sure the Hell 
> did. Did I do it for the LD's Hell no - they were fine with a 25 
> mile loop. Do I think the LD's should subsidize the 50's for a trail 
> so they don't have to repeat on - nope. The cost are what the cost 
> are. If "endurance riders" want the same cost then I'd say mark 25 
> miles of trail and let them do it twice.
>
> Bottom line I've done LD's, I've done 50's, I've done 100's, I've 
> done the ROC. There is no rider out there any better than the other 
> independent of what distance they do. And Don quite frankly your 
> attitude is the one thing that is wrong with endurance riding 
> today.BTW the attitude like yours is the the very reason I stopped 
> running rides and will not run a ride again.
>
> Best Regards,
> Truman
>
> Don Huston wrote:
> > To even consider the idea that LD should cost less because it uses 
> > less trail is the wrong perspective. The current "endurance" 
> > perspective is defined by AERC and they will not sanction a 25, it 
> > must be part of a 50. Therefore the entire ride has to be focused 
> > on the 50 (or more) miles of trail with all the water and vets etc 
> > to function safely. The fact that RM's have been willing to go out 
> > of their way to provide a safe place for beginners to start by 
> > providing the LD has now given birth to the "it's not fair to 
> > charge the same for LD" mentality because of the incorrect focus on 
> > the miles ridden. That LD trail is your choice but it requires 50 
> > miles of trail and water and vets before it is available for you to 
> > chose it. In reality all riders should pay the same. If you want to 
> > lower your cost per mile just ride endurance.
> >
> > That incorrect focus on LD miles has also been innocently 
> > perpetuated by AERC recording mileage on LD. AERC started recording 
> > those miles as a small way to recognize LD achievement but now 
> > those miles have morphed into some kind of proof that LD is 
> > endurance because after all they have miles. The old saying, 
> > "Give'm an inch and they'll take a mile" seems to be at work here.
> >
> > This LD unhappiness reminds me of the story about little 4yo Johnny 
> > (over charged LDer). The neighbor lady saw him walk by her house 3 
> > times and on the 4th she went out and asked, "Where are you going?" 
> > He said, "I'm mad at my mom (RM) and running away from home (for 
> > charging too much)." The lady asked, "Why then do you keep coming 
> > by my house (attending AERC rides) instead of running away?" Johnny 
> > replied, "Because I'm not supposed to cross the street (no stand 
> > alone LD per AERC rules)." :-)
> >
> > At 10:13 AM 7/9/2008 Wednesday, David wrote:
> >
> > > If we'd had a lower quality ride (or if a 25-only were possible), and only
> > > had 25 miles of trail, we could have put that together in roughly 1/2 the
> > > time (AND COST).
> >
> > Don Huston
> > donhuston @ cox .net
> > SanDiego, Calif
> >
> >
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> also into you." Friedrich Nietzsche, Beyond Good and Evil

Don Huston
donhuston @ cox .net
SanDiego, Calif 



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