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RE: [RC] Cronin Ranch - Kitley, Carrie E Civ USAF AFSPC 30 MDSS/SGSLFThat's right!! And that's precisely why they aren't sympathetic to the Wild Horse issue, because wild horses don't bring in any $$. Carrie Kitley 30th Medical Group, Vandenberg AFB DMLSS?Database Sustainment Specialist (DSS) CACI?International Inc? www.caci.com dsn?276-1077, Comm (805) 606-1077 fax dsn?276-1179 <\_~ // \\ carrie.kitley@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx? -----Original Message----- From: ridecamp-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:ridecamp-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Lynelle Robertson Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2008 1:16 PM To: ride camp; Lonnie Ruesch Subject: RE: [RC] Cronin Ranch I am glad to see others have run in to the same type of problems with land usage. Is there a BCH chapter in El Dorado County? or close? I think we all need to stick together and share ideas that work for protecting our rights. It seems to me the BLM can be bought by the highest bidder. --- On Tue, 7/1/08, Lonnie Ruesch <lonnieruesch@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: From: Lonnie Ruesch <lonnieruesch@xxxxxxxxxxx> Subject: RE: [RC] Cronin Ranch To: purplehorsebarn@xxxxxxxxx, "ride camp" <ridecamp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Date: Tuesday, July 1, 2008, 12:18 PM We had a state park near us that we had ridden in for decades. In fact most of the trails used by the hikers were established by a local horseman. They got a new park manager that kicked us out of "his" park saying "Just because you have used it in the past doesn't mean you can use it now." We formed a chapter of Back Country Horseman. We have regained our useage of the park. Another time the tree huggers tried to lock us out of 64,000 acres they named a desert reserve. Once again, our BCH chapter was very vocal and active in retaining our useage there. We now work cooperatively w/the Desert Reserve people, BLM, and forrest service, maintaining trails, installing signage, etc., so we can continue to use these areas. Being affiliated w/a national organization has given us the clout necessary to make sure we were not pushed out of these valuable riding areas. Lonnie ________________________________ Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2008 09:17:43 -0700 From: purplehorsebarn@xxxxxxxxx Subject: Re: [RC] Cronin Ranch To: ridecamp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx; Sheila_Larsen@xxxxxxx I agree that we all need to stay on the well traveled marked tails for the reasons you mention. I do carry water in a tank in my trailer but it would have been nice to let her drink. My whole point to the email is why do we have to settle for this when the rafters demand exclusive usage. I had several phone conversations with Jeff about people's packs of dogs running off leash plus the bow hunters and the cars and motorcycles trying to run us down while riding. He told me "It is BLM land and I can't restrict the dogs or hunters plus the vans that the rafters use are necessary to get supplies down to the river". Ok, why do they have to speed and not give right of way to riders? Then why must we be restricted? Is this not a double standard. I believe there is more going on behind the scenes. I lived all my life in the bay area and rode Mt Diablo for over 2 decades and watched the government and environmentalist eminent domain the cattle ranch's 2000 acres reduced to 150 when it was willed specifically to continue as a cattle ranch for future generations of children to see and use. We were told at the meetings that the cattle and horses were eroding the ground. So what do they do instead of letting the cattle grazed down the weeds and brush they bring herbicide spray in and set small back fires that got away from them and almost burned the mountain down. That is how I know that there is more to this and we have to stand firm. Sorry to go on so but it p.... me off again. I am just tired of the government telling me what I can and can't do. Isn't anyone else mad to? --- On Tue, 7/1/08, Sheila_Larsen@xxxxxxx <Sheila_Larsen@xxxxxxx> wrote: From: Sheila_Larsen@xxxxxxx <Sheila_Larsen@xxxxxxx> Subject: [RC] Cronin Ranch To: ridecamp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Tuesday, July 1, 2008, 8:41 AM The issue is more than just water access. I understand that the rafters do not want horses in their picnic area and I respect that and will not go into their picnic area. However, closing the trail that parallels the river is overkill. It is the prettiest part of the trail, has a breeze and is just down right nice. Asking horses not to access the river except in a few places is ok provided they are safe places (the one spot I went to didn't seem all that safe but I was told that I went to the wrong opening at that access site). I don't mind not riding along that portion of the trail during the weekend but during the week there is no one there I will continue to ride along the river. The sign also says that the closure is for riparian restoration which is another red herring. There is nothing wrong with the riparian area that will not come back with time and certainly horses are not causing further problems. I think what bothers me most is that it was just done as to the best of my knowledge without any input from the equestrian community on how best to resolve the problem. I will say though that equestrians will not endear themselves to BLM if they continue to cut trail up an and down the hills. There are some rare plants out there that could be trampled. In addition, these "social trails" or whatever you want to call them cause serious erosion problems. Cutting trail is a bigger problem than some may think and does cause hard feelings with land managers, so if we want to keep our trails we need to think about how our actions are viewed, and yes I think about that when I ignore the signs and go along the river trail, however, I do not go into the picnic areas. The rafters can live with horse poop on the trail imo. It is so hot out there it dries very quickly so flies are not a big problem, at least that I have seen. Thanks, Sheila 916.414.6685 Horses lend us the wings we lack. Author Unknown =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Ridecamp is a service of Endurance Net, http://www.endurance.net. Information, Policy, Disclaimer: http://www.endurance.net/Ridecamp Subscribe/Unsubscribe http://www.endurance.net/ridecamp/logon.asp Ride Long and Ride Safe!! =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ________________________________ The i’m Talkaton. 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