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RE: [RC] Cronin Ranch - Kitley, Carrie E Civ USAF AFSPC 30 MDSS/SGSLF

That's right!!  And that's precisely why they aren't sympathetic to the Wild 
Horse issue, because wild horses don't bring in any $$.  

Carrie Kitley
30th Medical Group, Vandenberg AFB
DMLSS?Database Sustainment Specialist (DSS) 
CACI?International Inc? www.caci.com
dsn?276-1077, Comm (805) 606-1077
fax dsn?276-1179
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-----Original Message-----
From: ridecamp-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx 
[mailto:ridecamp-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Lynelle Robertson
Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2008 1:16 PM
To: ride camp; Lonnie Ruesch
Subject: RE: [RC] Cronin Ranch

I am glad to see others have run in to the same type of problems with land 
usage. Is there a BCH chapter in El Dorado County? or close? I think we all 
need to stick together and share ideas that work for protecting our rights. It 
seems to me the BLM can be bought by the highest bidder.

--- On Tue, 7/1/08, Lonnie Ruesch <lonnieruesch@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

       From: Lonnie Ruesch <lonnieruesch@xxxxxxxxxxx>
       Subject: RE: [RC] Cronin Ranch
       To: purplehorsebarn@xxxxxxxxx, "ride camp" <ridecamp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
       Date: Tuesday, July 1, 2008, 12:18 PM
       We had a state park near us that we had ridden in for decades.  In fact 
most of the trails used by the hikers were established by a local horseman.  
They got a new park manager that kicked us out of "his" park saying "Just 
because you have used it in the past doesn't mean you can use it now."  We 
formed a chapter of Back Country Horseman.  We have regained our useage of the 
park.  Another time the tree huggers tried to lock us out of 64,000 acres they 
named a desert reserve.  Once again, our BCH chapter was very vocal and active 
in retaining our useage there.  We now work cooperatively w/the Desert Reserve 
people, BLM, and forrest service, maintaining trails, installing signage, etc., 
so we can continue to use these areas.  Being affiliated w/a national 
organization has given us the clout necessary to make sure we were not pushed 
out of these valuable riding areas.


               Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2008 09:17:43 -0700
               From: purplehorsebarn@xxxxxxxxx
               Subject: Re: [RC] Cronin Ranch
               To: ridecamp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx; Sheila_Larsen@xxxxxxx
I agree that we all need to stay on the well traveled marked tails for the 
reasons you mention. I do carry water in a tank in my trailer but it would have 
been nice to let her drink. My whole point to the email is why do we have to 
settle for this when the rafters demand exclusive usage. I had several phone 
conversations with Jeff about people's packs of dogs running off leash plus the 
bow hunters and the cars and motorcycles trying to run us down while riding. He 
told me "It is BLM land and I can't restrict the dogs or hunters plus the vans 
that the rafters use are necessary to get supplies down to the river". Ok, why 
do they have to speed and not give right of way to riders?  Then why must we be 
restricted? Is this not a double standard. I believe there is more going on 
behind the scenes. I lived all my life in the bay area and rode Mt Diablo for 
over 2 decades and watched the government and environmentalist eminent domain 
the cattle ranch's 2000 acres reduced to 150 when it was willed specifically to 
continue as a cattle ranch for future generations of children to see and use. 
We were told at the meetings that the cattle and horses were eroding the 
ground. So what do they do instead of letting the cattle grazed down the weeds 
and brush they bring herbicide spray in and set  small back fires that got away 
from them and almost burned the mountain down. That is how I know that there is 
more to this and we have to stand firm. Sorry to go on so but it p.... me off 
again. I am just tired of the government telling me what I can and can't do. 
Isn't anyone else mad to? 

--- On Tue, 7/1/08, Sheila_Larsen@xxxxxxx <Sheila_Larsen@xxxxxxx> wrote:

       From: Sheila_Larsen@xxxxxxx <Sheila_Larsen@xxxxxxx>
       Subject: [RC] Cronin Ranch
       To: ridecamp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
       Date: Tuesday, July 1, 2008, 8:41 AM
       The issue is more than just water access.  I understand that the 
rafters do
       not want horses in their picnic area and I respect that and will not go
       into their picnic area.  However, closing the trail that parallels the
       river is overkill.  It is the prettiest part of the trail, has a breeze 
       is just down right nice.  Asking horses not to access the river except 
in a
       few places is ok provided they are safe places (the one spot I went to
       didn't seem all that safe but I was told that I went to the wrong 
       at that access site).  I don't mind not riding along that portion of the
       trail during the weekend but during the week there is no one there I 
       continue to
        ride along the river.  The sign also says that the closure is
       for riparian restoration which is another red herring.  There is nothing
       wrong with the riparian area that will not come back with time and
       certainly horses are not causing further problems.   I think what 
       me most is that it was just done as to the best of my knowledge without 
       input from the equestrian community on how best to resolve the problem. 
       will say though that equestrians will not endear themselves to BLM if 
       continue to cut trail up an and down the hills.  There are some rare 
       out there that could be trampled.  In addition, these "social trails"
       whatever you want to call them cause serious erosion problems.  Cutting
       trail is a bigger problem than some may think and does cause hard 
       with land managers, so if we want to keep our trails we need to think 
       how our actions are viewed, and yes I
        think about that when I ignore the
       signs and go along the river trail, however, I do not go into the picnic
       areas.  The rafters can live with horse poop on the trail imo.  It is so
       hot out there it dries very quickly so flies are not a big problem, at
       least that I have seen.
       Horses lend us the wings we lack.  Author Unknown
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