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Re: FW: [RC] [RC] Was Black bears on the trail- California, nowinvasive exotic plants - Melissa Margetts Ms. Kitty

Mike Sherrell wrote:
If you made any birds fly up from feeding, or scared off a fish that was
about to strike at a bug on the surface beside your raft, you disturbed the
habitat, increased the amount of energy they needed to expend to survive,
and reduced their ability to reproduce.

That doesn't count the paved road in and out of the park, the meadow your
house and lawn covered up, the habitat around the world that was torn up to
get at the gas you burned and the steel you burned it in, or the land that
used to feed other animals that now feeds you.

Same for me, of course.

Regards,
Mike Sherrell
Grizzly Analytical
www.grizzlyanalytical.com
707 887 2919; fax = 707 887 9834


-----Original Message-----
From: ridecamp-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:ridecamp-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Barbara McCrary
Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2008 10:29 AM
To: mike@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx; Ridecamp
Subject: Re: [RC] [RC] Was Black bears on the trail- California, now
invasive exotic plants

I don't recall disturbing any plants or animals as I was rafting down the Colorado. And the company we went with was excruciatingly particular about not leaving ANYTHING unnatural in the wilderness...no garbage, no paper, no plastic, no waste of any kind.

Barbara

----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Sherrell" <mike@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: "Ridecamp" <Ridecamp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2008 9:22 AM
Subject: FW: [RC] [RC] Was Black bears on the trail- California, now invasive exotic plants



Rafting down the Colorado would seem to make you an invasive species too,
no? Out of Africa, aren't we? No offense; I include myself. It's just that
the older I get, the more misanthropic, especially when I think of the
extinction rate we've imposed on the other animals.

Regards,

Mike Sherrell
Grizzly Analytical
www.grizzlyanalytical.com
707 887 2919; fax = 707 887 9834

-----Original Message-----
From: ridecamp-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:ridecamp-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Barbara McCrary
Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2008 9:14 AM
To: RIDECAMP; Karen Sullivan
Subject: Re: [RC] [RC] Was Black bears on the trail- California, now
invasive exotic plants

I do strongly agree with you on the issue of invasive exotics. Having
rafted down the Colorado River in Utah, I saw first-hand how awful is the
Tamarisk invasion. A native of Russia, impossible to get rid of, roots 30
feet long, spread all the way from the delta of the Colorado River at Baja
California, where it had been planted as an erosion control. I asked our
boatman how it came to be upstream so far (eastern Utah) and he asked me,
"And which way is the wind blowing?" Toward us...upstream. Imagine this
plant spreading all the way from the Sea of Cortez to Utah. It's awful.
We deal with invasive exotics on our ranch...broom, wild hemlock, thistles,
Cape Ivy to name a few. We actually had a few plants of Yellow Star Thistle


sprout in a small area of irrigated pasture, the seeds being spread from one

infested bale of alfalfa hay. I had a hoe out so fast, grubbing the thistle

from the ground, and I burned it in our fireplace.
I shouldn't get started on this subject...it provokes me to frustration.

Barbara

----- Original Message ----- From: "Karen Sullivan" <greymare56@xxxxxxxxx>
To: "Cynthia LeDoux-Bloom" <cledoux@xxxxxxx>
Cc: <ridecamp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2008 8:51 AM
Subject: Re: [RC] [RC] Black bears on the trail- California



I have absolutely no interest in
riding in a man-made park like setting, and get extremely upset to see
spreading invasive exotics........(like all the tamarisk-salt cedar)
choking the creeks in the Cache Creek wilderness), the scotch broom
and Pampas grass all over the northern Calfornia coast, etc.
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Mike, WooHoo! & Touche' Very well put and I totally agree. We are the most arrogant and destructive species on this planet and yet we are the only species that can wake up every morning and make a conscious decision as to whether we will have a positive or negative impact on the people and animals we share this planet with. When a mother wheels her baby into a posted "Wilderness Area" in a stroller or on a game trail, or when we hike with our dogs into an area where they can chase the deer and elk during calving season, or ride our horses into areas that are ripe with fresh natural berries and forage for the animals that actually LIVE there and are not just visiting for the DAY, then we are ACCEPTING the risks involved. If you chose to get into a raft and ride down the rapids without a life jacket or free climb without any ropes, then you either have the IQ of a soap dish or are willing to take your chances with mother nature. If you want to ride in a park without any bears then stay in the arena or ride in Central Park. (although I just heard that Cantebury stables closed down after almost 200 years there) Consider it a blessing if you see a bear or other wildlife on the trail, ride with a manageable or reasonably predictable horse, bring your cell phone, ride with a buddy and take other precautions that you feel you need to. We ride horses so we preach to everyone else about the safety of wearing a helmet (ridecamp quote I read recently: "I refuse to ride with anyone who doesn't wear a helmet because it already shows they are stupid!") Well Geeze Louise, I don't want to be riding with someone who KNOWS their horse is going to explode, spin, fall, buck and bolt if a rabbit crosses the trail either. That means I'll be the one left trying to do trail-side medical care for the horse or rider, or chasing a loose horse through the trees.There are people I avoid riding with for just that reason. It's always a fiasco when coming to a stream, or a log, or a tumbleweed let alone a bear. Get yourself and your horse ready and steady and "sacked out" to your comfort level or choose an arena instead. Gets me kinda uppity when folks want to get rid of everything that makes the west the WEST or the wild the WILD just so we can to continue to be the invasive critters we are. Damn Skippy, I personally I feel much safer on a trail in the middle of nowhere than I do anywhere in New York City and there are far too many dangerous predators to deal with around every corner there. Nuff said.
Melissa Margetts



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