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RE: [RC] [RC] The Price of Gas - David LeBlanc

It’s likely that we could do with fewer different formulas. Here’s your basics – we need different mixes based on temperature – I don’t think what works in Minnesota in the winter would suit Miami at the same time of year. The second reason we need different formulas is to manage different problems. For example, places like Denver, Las Vegas, and Los Angeles tend to have problems with carbon monoxide. Other places, such as Atlanta, tend to have problems with ozone, which is formed from nitrous oxides, hydrocarbons (which can be present from evergreen trees – that’s what led to Reagan’s absurd comment that pine trees pollute), and sunlight.

 

The rub is that CO tends to get created when vehicles are running rich, which is why some of these places have a bigger problem in the winter – if it’s cold, and the car isn’t running rich, it won’t run. NOx tends to get created when vehicles run lean. A modern car will cycle between a little rich and a little lean to make the catalytic converter work best in removing both CO, HC, and NOx. So if you have two different cities and one with a NOx problem, and the other with a CO problem, the best fuel for one would likely make the other worse.

 

A second problem is what you use to achieve each result. A common oxygenator for a while was MBTE (IIRC) – at any rate, they started finding problems with it, especially if there was a fuel leak from underground tanks. I don’t think they can use that one in CA any longer.

 

Funny story – a mechanic friend of mine was once doing a smog check on a car in LA, and when he zeroed out the machine based on the ambient air, the car was emitting negative emissions. He checked it with his calibration gas, and it turned out the emissions from the car were cleaner than the air. The vehicle was actually cleaning the air as it ran. Pretty nasty comment on what people were breathing.

 

What we’d end up with if we did go to fewer formulations is that people in areas that don’t especially need something to suppress CO emissions would end up with it, likely at extra expense, but it might even out if they didn’t have to clean up the refineries all the time.

 

The up side to all this is that competing technologies are going to really get an opportunity – the supply infrastructure for gasoline is so entrenched that other fuels really need to be a lot cheaper to make up for the difference. Plus, as prices go up, that house over an hour away is going to start looking more expensive than living in town, and maybe we’ll start taking a more serious look at rail. Very few people will do things just because it’s the right thing, so we have to get it to where it’s in their economic advantage to do the right thing. If we’d have kept up the pressure on driving up mileage standards, we wouldn’t use so much oil, demand would be less, and prices would go down. But like I said, few people, especially the administration, will do the right thing just because it’s right.

 

 

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Subject: Re: [RC] [RC] The Price of Gas

 

It would be great to agree on one formulation of gas, but I don't think that's possible. Supposedly the variations in the gas formulations is because of the smog we get in the hot desert areas during the times of year we have wild temperature changes, like during the the winter. Cold nights with warm days traps the pollution in. The changes in gas formulations is supposed to somehow help prevent that from happening as much, though I'm not sure it makes much difference.  We just have too many people and cars is the main problem.  Nobody seems to be trying to drive less.  People are buying houses in subdivisions way outside the city because they're cheaper, then they drive an hour or hour and a half each way to work! If more people would live closer to work, that would help the problem. Just my humble opinion based on observation.


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