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RE: [RC] [RC] [SPAM] RE: [RC] [RC] slaughter vs consumption - Jessica Cameron

Actually no, it wasn't voted on by the citizens of this country...it was decided in the court systems, and funded by a strong extemist view, which I'm pretty sure PETA backed as well. I also don't think that Heidi ever once said she was going to eat her horses or give them to her neighbors to eat. What she is saying and what a great majority of responsible and reasonable livestock owners know is right is that it is wrong for the extremely vocal minority to creat policy in our court systems because it makes them feel good that horses aren't going to be mercilessly killed for human consumption overseas. Those same horses are still going to be slaughtered, it will just be done in Canada or Mexico where they will face a long trailer ride, followed by a long wait time in deplorable conditions. So, the vocal minority has not solved the "inhumane and unethical" treatment of these horses, they have just made it worse.

Jessica Cameron~~~Mtn. Region


From: "Terry Banister" <ebeyrider@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: heidi@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
CC: ridecamp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx, rainbowmeadowsranch@xxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: [RC]   [SPAM] RE: [RC] [RC] slaughter vs consumption
Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 10:21:08 -0800

It has been voted by the majority of the citizens (our governing system in this country) and it is a done deal. But if you did choose to eat your endurance horses, I don't think there is any law that says you can't! I am sure if your neighbor wanted to eat your horses, you could still GIVE him some, instead of raising them for the purpose and SELLING them to him. And there won't be any tax credit from the government for running a farm/ranch for that purpose.
Terry
"May the Horse be with you"

From: heidi@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
To: Terry Banister <ebeyrider@xxxxxxxxxxx>
CC: ridecamp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx, rainbowmeadowsranch@xxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: [SPAM] RE: [RC]   [RC] slaughter vs consumption
Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 10:54:03 -0700


It is the CHOICE of SOME PEOPLE in the United States not to eat horses,
etc.? It is not the RIGHT of those same people to make that judgment call for others.? (FWIW, I'm among those who CHOOSE not to eat horses, dogs, cats etc.--but I fully recognize that that is my CHOICE, not my RIGHT to impose those choices on others.
?

And HOW MANY horses have to suffer in order for this magnificent
economic pressure theory to become a reality??
?
Heidi




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Subject: [SPAM] RE: [RC] ? [RC] slaughter vs consumption
From: "Terry Banister" <ebeyrider@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Thu, March 15, 2007 10:44 am
To: heidi@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, rainbowmeadowsranch@xxxxxxxxx
Cc: ridecamp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx


It is the CHOICE of the people of the U.S. NOT TO EAT DOGS, CATS and
HORSES

because they are looked upon as family pets and best friend material.
And

there is NO NEED to eat dog and horses in this country, so this should
be a
dead issue.


Based on this fact, breeding excess animals (dogs, cats or horses) or


acquiring excess animals that cannot be cared for as one would care for


one's own child, is going to become econimically unprofitable, and the


people who are doing it will eventually think twice. But it will take
time

for the new habits and practices to become established. We are now going


through the necessary thinking process. I am confident that the next

generation will do things more efficiently and humanely.
Terry
"May the Horse be with you"


>From: heidi@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>To: Karen Everhart <rainbowmeadowsranch@xxxxxxxxx>
>CC: ridecamp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>Subject: RE: [RC] ? slaughter vs consumption
>Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 09:30:20 -0700
>
>Indeed.? Please define "humane" and "ethical."?
>?
>

>A captive bolt in the brain is certainly "humane."?? And
to

>suggest that it is unethical for humans to consume horses is biased
at
>best.
>?
>

>What is completely inhumane is to be unrealistic about the world
in

>which we live, in which many horses will end up starving, ill,
injured, and

>neglected, with no recourse to many owners.? You CANNOT
legislate

>morality--perhaps Prohibition was one of the more graphic examples
of

>that.? And to ignore the fact that most horses in this country
(I would

>wager that it's the majority) are in situations where they are
expendable
>when their humans face hard times is indeed unrealistic.?
>?
>

>The article that Angie shared IS the reality of it.? And what
has

>been forced by the poorly-thought-out-and-emotionally-driven
anti-slaughter
>legislation is indeed inhumane.
>?
>

>I never much thought about horse slaughter in my growing-up
years--we

>"culturally" did not eat horses, and when ours were old and infirm,
a quick

>bullet ended their lives, whereupon they were consumed by birds and

>coyotes.?
>?
>

>As I've grown older, I have realized that it is immaterial who eats
the

>horse (human or coyote), even if I prefer not to--and that most of
the

>world can use humane slaughter as an option, whereas leaving the
carcass

>for the coyotes is not an option in much of our populated
world.?
>?

>Outlawing slaughter has and will continue to promote equine
suffering--an

>outcome that I personally consider to be unconscionable.? If
the folks who

>have agitated for anti-slaughter legislation TRULY wanted to help
alleviate

>equine suffering, they would petition to have local plants built
where

>horses could be directly hauled by their owners.? I can
guarantee that NO

>amount of lobbying will change the fact that most horses live in a


>precarious balance--and when the lobbying to prevent slaughter
progresses
>to another level of "success," the horses are the true victims.
>?
>

>Karen, I do admire what rescues do--that's great.? I abhor
careless

>breeding without thought or study to ensure that the resultant
offspring

>can have useful jobs.? But neither your position nor mine on
those subjects

>will have any great effect on the reality of the situations of many
horses

>in this country, should they fall upon hard times.? It is
relatively simple

>and within the means of most people to euthanize?dogs and cats
and have

>them buried or cremated.? When a horse falls on hard times,
those options

>just are not realistic in a great many circumstances.? THAT is
the reality

>of it, and THAT is the niche that slaughter serves to prevent those
horses
>from going on to suffer.?
>?
>Heidi
>?
>Heidi
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>I find that an interesting statement.? Why are the "anti-slaughter

>folk" responsible for "realistically" addressing the problem of what
to do

>with unwanted horses unless THEY produced the unwanted horses??
Seems to me

>that "we" horse folk should be responsible for dealing with the
unwanted
>horse population in a way that is humane AND ethical.
>
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