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Re: [RC] Rapid Pulse Recovery/Real Data - Diane TrefethenJohn Teeter wrote:all of that info is collected by FEI RMs and sent with the results for all FEI endurance races. There's alot of data there. basically as summarized in: In other words, half the data necessary to determine to what degree the failure of a horse's pulse to recover in 10, 15, 20, 30 minutes correlates to that horse's having been overridden already exists, right? The other half, determining what constitutes "overridden", might be a little harder to nail down. First, "overridden" has to be defined in terms of the individual horse, not in terms of how hard or fast it was ridden. In their primes, I believe both Cash and Rio could be cantered and galloped 75 miles - no problem. Hardly anyone on Ridecamp owns a horse that could be cantered and galloped even 50 miles and have that horse recover in 15 minutes. So the first test of "overridden" would be did the horse recover in the 30 minutes necessary to obtain a completion at the end of the ride. Any horse that incurred a metabolic or lameness problem which required veterinary treatment, within 24 hours of completing a ride, would be a candidate for "overridden". If treatment was administered at the ride, all well and good. But what about after the horse leaves the ride? How do we track that? Does putting a horse on an IV 2 hours after arriving home make that horse any less "overridden" than the one who was treated at the ride? The good news is that these missed examples of overriding would contribute to a laxer not stricter Rapid Pulse Recovery rule. I say good news because if you are going to tighten up criteria for something and one of the reasons for this tightening is an unproven or unsubstantiated fact, clearly you are at risk for tightening unnecessarily. Would these be the only two criteria for defining "overridden"? Assuming AERC put together a committee, studied the FEI data, and determined that there was a distinct correlation between retarded recoveries and overriding, THAT would be the time to look at MMS's proposal seriously and work out the details. I think just using a litmus test of 15 minutes for placing, without any proof that a horse's taking 16 minutes for its pulse to recover proves that the horse was "overridden" and without any definition of what "overridden" means, would be premature. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Ridecamp is a service of Endurance Net, http://www.endurance.net. Information, Policy, Disclaimer: http://www.endurance.net/Ridecamp Subscribe/Unsubscribe http://www.endurance.net/ridecamp/logon.asp Ride Long and Ride Safe!! =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
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