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> Heidi, sent me one link, one post, one document, one of ANYTHING to
> substantiate these two statements. 
I'll send you right back to the archives where you sent me.  Details were
reported by several posters at the time.

OK...what "details" are you referring to specifically?  Give me ONE "sample"
post prior to 2002 (HWC was created at the Convention 2003)...just the URL
here will do so we can all look it up.  I couldn't find anything remotely
resembling any of the "details" you are referring to.  You post ONE and I'll
post ONE for all to read, and we'll go on from there. In fact, I have EVERY
post on this issue archived on my hard file, including the stuff that was
privately sent to me, positive or negative.  Don't even have to check
ridecamp. I just looked...there is nothing there, either. Let's get on with
"just the facts".

> HOW was it available to the membership? How did a "member" get it? Was
> it published in EN? I've got old issues....point me to one.
No, it was not published in the EN--but a call to purtnear anyone on the
vet committee could get one copies if one was interested.  A lot of the
stuff never got saved because nobody bothered to call.  

Now there's a good procedure. How the HELL would they know to call if the
death reports were not published?  Hard to ask for a copy of something you
don't know exists. That's a ridiculous statement.

> I sent a registered letter to AERC asking for ANY
> information on horse deaths, and they refused to send me anything. Since
> you were "there", what was the procedure, and I will expect you to
> substantiate it with something other than your "word".
That does not mean that reports were not made and
studied by the vet committee.  But again, nobody much seemed to give a
damn, so why should anybody bother to keep it?  Go back and read those
same archives that you touted, Jim--I know others responded on the same
subject.

The fact that they were not "archived"...prior to about 1995 or so I
think...is not the issue. That's common knowledge. Even after they were
"archived" and available under the "new" system, facts on horse deaths were
not available to the general membership.  Since they were not available to
the membership in 2002, I doubt they were "available" when you were "there"
either.  Did you recommend they be published? How was this information
supposed to get to the membership? What did you "work your fanny off" on
that got the information out where it would do some good? "Studied by the
Vet Committee"?  That really helped riders learn how to care for their
horses better. 

> You're right, nobody gave a damn, apparently including you...and if
> horses died, so what.  Information is useless unless you USE it for
> something and make it available to the membership.
Jim, it WAS used for something.  It was used for CE for AERC
veterinarians, and many of us learned a great deal from it.  Much of what
your ride vets today know comes from the shared experiences and knowledge
from those early CE meetings.  Your self-righteousness is offensive, and
your ardor would be better spent doing something positive than continuing
to try to blame a great many good people who worked damn hard to get the
veterinary knowledge base to the level where it is now.  And publishing
something in the EN is not the measure of worth--LEARNING from the past is
what has value.  I know I learned a lot from those shared experiences, and
I know many of my colleages did too.  Next time you go to a ride and ride
under a competent ride vet, you ought to say a big THANK YOU to the scores
of vets of yesteryear who did their best to see that information was
shared so that people can learn.  And next time one of those vets shares
knowledge with you through an article or a seminar, you can bet your
booties that some of that knowledge saw the light of day at veterinary CE
meetings that discussed the times when things went wrong--either resulting
in major treatments or deaths.

The "vets of yesteryear" I'm sure did a great job, as do our current vets,
but as AERC has ALWAYS said the horse is the responsibility of the rider,
not the vet, and the membership in general was denied knowledge that may
have saved horses, in part due to resistance from some of the vets who were
worried about public knowledge creating a liability problem for them when a
horse died at their ride.

Jim, Sun of Dimanche+, and Mahada Magic



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