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Re: [RC] Spooking and punishment - Bette Lamore

Great post, Bob
I'm afraid that due to all these new training- pseudo Pat Pirelli offshoots and misapplications of these ideas, many horses today see the round pen as a place they are chased around--- hardly the use for which it was originally intended. Don't get me wrong, I have used a round pen to teach the horse to come to me and it has entailed making him move around until he does so-- but we also spend time in there walking and jogging and doing long-lines and riding under saddle and driving (a little gee and haw, too) so that he doesn't think it means a free-for-all. For me the round pen is the place I initially teach my horses what brakes are and the steering wheel-- it is a safe environment and I would never start my horses in long lines anywhere else-- too many variables and chances of getting into trouble-- but then we progress to trails as quickly as possible and ride in round pens and arenas when that is not an option (weather, time.. etc)
Thank you for your post, Bob
Bette


bobmorris@xxxxxxxx wrote:

I would ask, why is the use of a round pen definitely our of
the question. If the horse is properly trained it will walk
in the round pen as well as any other place. The round pen
is not a place of indiscriminate running. It is a place of
absolute control of the horse with out being on or fastened
to it. The use of faster speeds in a round pen is
counterproductive in most training situations. Every thing I
do in the round pen is done at a walk for many, many
sessions before a slow trot is ever allowed.


I have very often used the pen for rehab where the walk is
the preferred gait due to the ease of control while not
interfering with the horse.


Bob

Bob Morris
Morris Endurance Enterprises
Boise, ID


-----Original Message-----
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To: Ed & Wendy Hauser
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Subject: Re: [RC] Spooking and punishment


-----Original Message----- From: Ed & Wendy Hauser <ranch@xxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Jul 13, 2004 7:26 AM To: ridecamp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx, Lif Strand <lif@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> Subject: Re: [RC] Spooking and punishment

While round penning, or other safe education programs would
be the ideal method of changing this behavior, if I read the
original post properly, this horse is recovering from an
injury and must be hand walked every day.  Round penning at
this time is not an option.
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OP here, and yes, he is injured so round-penning is
definitely out.  :)

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As far as negative reinforcement not stopping a horse from
spooking in a particular direction, that is just not so.
While I will be the first to admit that sometimes horses
spook into things that hurt them, most of the time they do
not. I'd be willing to bet that the subject horse does not
spook into the fence, gate, electric fence, or barn when he
spooks. -----------------------------------------------------------


No, he does not spook blindly into surrounding objects.
He's not loco. He is actually a pretty good boy. Usually
pretty mellow. It is very disturbing to me that he is
getting increasingly spooky while being led, but I have to
keep in mind how much his life has changed since his injury.
He lived his whole life on 80 acres, until I bought him.
Then he was on 1 or 2 acres, with other horses. Now he is
in a 12x24 corral with 15 minutes of being led around at a
walk only. He's probably a little pent-up to say the least.
------------------------------------------------------------
-------
If he
is that out of control that the normal things around a farm
cause him to blindly spook with no regard to his safety, the
cure is far beyond my abilities and I will gracefully bow
out of this discussion.
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Yeah, and I would gracefully bow out of owning him! LOL

Thanks again Ed and Lif for your opinions and help!

Jennifer



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