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Re: [RC] wolves killing livestock and reasons why - heidi

I'd like
to throw one bit of somewhat little known research is out there, that
wolves do indeed kill many sheep or lambs at once as the prey are
enclosed by fences.  In the real world the prey can disperse and get
away, the predator drive is satisfied when one animal is brought down,

Please tell that to the elk that are wantonly slaughtered by wolves.  They
are not in pens, they are not under man's control--they ARE in what you
call the "real world."  So far the biggest binge I've heard reported is 19
head, but the binge killing of half a dozen or more such as the one that
Bob Morris witnessed are commonplace.

So no, it isn't for 'fun' although some is to teach youngsters how to
hunt.

Are you saying that animals are incapable of having fun?  Another poster
got it right--in order for them to be successful at what they do, they
HAVE to be good at it--and deriving some form of "enjoyment" out of their
prowess is as natural as breathing.  They have fun killing the same way
that horses have fun racing across the pasture just for the heck of it.

Also, research shows if you take out the predators then another
will take its place, maybe one not as well behaved as the first.

Why are so many missing the point here?  The wolves were ARTIFICIALLY
introduced into areas that ALREADY had predators--cougars, coyotes, etc. 
This isn't about some "right wing anti-predator" campaign--this is about
foisting a predator on an area where IT DOES NOT BELONG IN THE FIRST
PLACE!

there are no more predators then the prey that MAN likes to hunt will be
diseased as man only weeds out the young tender strong meat, not the old
and sickly meat like natural predators do, and once again the balance is
screwed up.

To that, I have to ask you if you have ever tried to actually EAT an old
trophy bull elk--those are the ones that MAN goes after, NOT the nice
prime cows that are good to eat.  Furthermore, please explain to the
healthy cow elk and half-grown calves that were not sickly, were not
starved, were not weak, and in fact were in the prime of life that have
fallen victim to the wolf binge kills that wolves "only" weed out the
herd.  Come LOOK, and see for yourself!

It is the right wing anti-predator thinking which endangered  the wolf

The wolf IS NOT and has NEVER been "endangered"--except as a political
ploy in the minds of a bunch of "left-wing anti-public-land use thinking"
liberals, since you want to put labels on things.

 Sorry, but I
believe in feedlots for our cattle and wild places our predators can
still populate.  Its time we recognize the value of this and quit
destroying the earth God gave us.

Puh-LEEZE.  The cattlemen have done more to IMPROVE natural habitat than
the politicians can even begin to.  Furthermore, in feedlots cattle eat
feeds that can also be eaten by hungry humans, whereas when they are out
on forage, they convert roughages unuseable by hungry humans into proteins
that ARE useful to hungry humans.  A cow out in a large area is a
tolerable thing--10,000 cows in a feedlot is a mess.  And as Cindy said,
PLEASE come ride with us in the areas that we ranchers maintain--and
please point out just WHERE we are "destroying" it.  The most beautiful
wildlife habitat here and in the other areas where I've lived is in the
areas where there has been either grazing and/or logging.

Heidi


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