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Re: [RC] re: wolves, ranching, westerners vs. the coasts, etc. - Steven ProeHi Cindy: Who's "us" and what do you need to be Defended from? "admirable job of defending us." But it is the Sierra Club, trying with other groups that I belong to that are attempting and saving Open Space and Wildness Areas, and proud of it. That's who I am. Thanks, for your thoughts. Steven Proe ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cindy Collins" <ccollins@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: <ridecamp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2004 9:47 AM Subject: [RC] re: wolves, ranching, westerners vs. the coasts, etc. It's really hard for me to answer this thread because I get so angry that I have to be very careful. Thank goodness, people like Barbara and Heidi and Drin have done an admirable job of defending us. Most of the people, though not all, who are talking are never going to live with wolves and grizzlies in their backyard. However, they will be proponents of them being in our backyards. Out here in places like Wyoming, we get to live year around with the rules others make so that they can come out here for a week once or twice in their lives and see the West as they want it to be. (Please forgive me, Barbara for the next part!) CA has the grizzly bear on its flag, why doesn't every one demand that grizzlies, and wolves, be reintroduced into the Sierras??? I'll tell you why...because we mountain westerners are politically insignificant and others can force us to deal with their fantasies about what wilderness should look like. Many of them have ruined the land around them, so they live vicariously on our land. They'll never have to worry about mountain lions, wolves, or grizzlies attacking their horses or making their trail rides or hikes dangerous. As for the comment about hunters, I suggest some research is in order. Generally speaking, hunters and their money have done more to reestablish games herds than any other group. There wouldn't be any large elk, Bighorn sheep or even large deer populations in many parts of the country without sportsmen's dollars and work. Yes, they have a desire to hunt that drives this philanthropy, but the result is good for wildlife. Generally, out here when we have severe blizzards that threaten our elk and antelope herds, it's not the Sierra Club out there dropping hay to them. It's sportsmen and ranchers. I truly believe that this is a thread that has no place on ridecamp except to cause further regional divides. Cindy ============================================================ We are talking about all the tools we can use to keep our horses safe and alive at the rides. Training/conditioning is one of the best tools available. It makes us better horseman and women, it benefits our horses and could quite possibly be the key to preventing most crashes. ~ Lisa Salas - The Odd Farm ridecamp.net information: http://www.endurance.net/ridecamp/ ============================================================ ============================================================ One would think that logic would prevail. But then, if logic did prevail, men would ride sidesaddle. ~ Bob Morris ridecamp.net information: http://www.endurance.net/ridecamp/ ============================================================
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