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Re: [RC] parelli, clinton anderson, dennis reis, natural horse, training, etc. - Chris PausYou are right, Ed. I am no authority on horse training and no authority on clinicians. I only know what my own experience has been and can share only that with other people. They can take that experience or leave it as they choose. I didn't mean to step on anyone's toes. I've owned the John Lyons tapes and have subscribed to his magazine and have seen him in a clinic setting. I've also seen Pat Parelli, Clinton Anderson, Linda TJ, Pony Boy and others. I have an autographed photo of Pony Boy along with a personal note he sent me because he read something I wrote that he liked. I live in Harry Whitney country. My farrier is a good friend of Whitney's. As I said before, I've gleaned some good bits of info from all of them. I've also learned alot from a classical horseman who has been to the Spanish Riding School in Vienna and taught me and Star some of the basics of classical training. I like that the NH trainers are getting people to think of horses in a different way and because of them, a lot of people are abandoning some of the more heavy handed methods of training.. OTOH, people need to learn not to follow any one person blindly. As I said about the clinic last weekend, I don't want my trail horse to be BLINDLY obedient. i want her to be able to think on the trail and alert me to situations that I may not recognize. In the same vein, I want my riding students to learn to think for themselves, to recognize what is good for their horses and themselves and not do everything I say or do just because I say so. My goal is to give them the basics so they can develop their own program of training and riding in their distance careers and I fully expect many of them to go on and do much better than me at the sport. I want people to recognize that just because Guru X says this is the perfect thing to do with your horse, it may not really be so! It may indeed be right. But it may be wrong. I learned after a horrendous accident when I trusted an "expert" that I know my horse and know what his limits are. I won't take on outside horses for training becuase I take too long! No one would pay me to work with a horse for a year like I've worked with my filly. they want the same amount of training to occur in 30 days. I disagree that a horse needs to be worked an hour every day. I think that is TOO MUCH for some horses, especially young ones early in their training. I think 15 or 20 minutes of good quality work is much better than an hour or two of struggling with a horse. That is one of my disagreements with Anderson. he doesn't stop, he keeps drilling a horse over and over. I also think horses need time off. It helps their attitudes immensely. Anyway, the things I say here are MHO and MHO only. Feel free to disagree with me. I just know what I've learned in 40+ years of horsekeeping and how little that is compared to what there is to know! chris --- Ed Kilpatrick <whytrtfarms@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: and now chris, you have heard the third reaction from someone has done a three day clinton anderson clinic, with my horse, had a marvelous experience, and learned a lot of good things. like tina said, at no time did clinton say you could do this stuff in fifteen minutes. quite the opposite. it takes lots of time, and you cant just do it for a while and quit, either. clinton was working with his horse after he got through with the rest of us after a full 8 hour day, just to keep her really working good. he suggested working with your horse four days a week for an hour or two if you really want good results. i work with my horses some on the ground every time before i ride them. i was a pretty decent trainer before i did his clinic. i am much better now. as for the statement that it is just arena work and wont do any good out on the trail, you obviously havent seen clinton's obstacle course work nor have you seen him working with a green horse out on the trail with obstacles, ditches, crossing water, and all the other things that we encounter doing distance rides. i use these methods for the same things, and they work very well. i have seen lots of horses that had problems crossing water while doing endurance rides, and the riders welcomed any advice and help they could get. until you have done what i have done, and seen the results, time after time, you cant really speak with authority. ed ===== "A good horse makes short miles," George Eliot Chris and Star BayRab Acres http://pages.prodigy.net/paus ============================================================ Just because someone tells you that your horse isn't "fit" for endurance...doesn't mean it isn't, it just means your horse isn't fit to be "their" endurance horse! 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