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Re: [RC] automatic sanctions - Howard Bramhall

You should know better than I, but, from what I can tell, if a horse dies at an AERC endurance ride, the vet makes out a report, this report is forwarded to and looked at by the AERC Vet Committee, and they make a statement which is posted once a year in Endurance News.  I guess this can be called an investigation, but, I was hoping for a little more.  Hope springs eternal and my hope now lies with the Welfare of the Horse Committee.
 
Of course, anyone can file a Protest with the Protest and Grievance Committee when a horse dies at a ride, if that's the protocol you were referring to.  They P & G Committee also handles cases which include things like riders cooling off their horses with a water hose via the anus (an interesting concept and I never did find out the final decision of the Protest Committee), riding a horse that's not the age the rider said it was and stuff like that. And, yes, they do handle some very serious incidents but, my point is they are required to look at anything presented to them with the 100 dollar filing fee.  You could probably file a protest against me for talking too much on Ridecamp and that other site, if you were so inclined (if you want to file the hundred bucks).  Wouldn't it be nice if you didn't have to include the one hundred dollars if you thought a rider's negligence had caused their horse's demise at an endurance ride?
 
Please, correct me if I'm wrong here.  Isn't that what occurs, as of this moment, in the case of a horse death at an AERC ride?  Is there a protocol of investigation I've missed?  I've read all of the minutes from the Convention to now and haven't seen anything else added as of this date.  I do believe the ball is rolling on this one and that's where my hope lies, but, what, exactly, are the protocols, within AERC, that are you referring to?
 
I do believe the current head of the VEt Committee, Jim Baldwin, DVM, has stated that the report procedure will change and I look forward (poor choice of words there, Howard, someone please jump on me for writing that) to reading this year's Vet Committee reports on equine deaths at endurance rides.  I'm just wondering if I'll have to wait a year for it to all come out in the end of year report, from the Vet Committee, in Endurance News, or, if there will be a way to see it a little sooner.
 
cya,
Howard
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 10:40 AM
Subject: Re: [RC] automatic sanctions

At 08:19 AM 10/27/2003, Howard Bramhall wrote:
 > I do think a horse death should be investigated, automatically, if, for
nothing else,
 > information and vindication of the rider.  Because, without an impartial
jury, the
 > rider will be found guilty of all counts in the Her Majesty's Court,
Rumor and Innuendo.

I think AERC and AERA and FEI all have protocols for investigation and
reporting of equine fatalities. I don't know about the European or middle
eastern federations though. I'm confused as to why a major point is made
concerning the need for investigation when these protocols are in place.

Now it may be that these protocols may need refinement. If this is the
case, then the specific organizations each have lead points for the
definitions of these protocols, primarily centered about the veterinary
dicipline, but also, in the case of the evolving AERC Horse Welfare Committee.

At any rate, it seems that a broad call for investigation is a bit late as
the mechanisms are already (being put) in place.

johnt


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