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Re: [RC] Adios - Susan Garlinghouse, DVMWell, as I recall, she did mention about the elytes she >gave before the horse left, and at the event. I am not >pointing fingers at all, like the rest of us, I am trying to >discern something that I feel is worthy of discussion, no >matter whose horse we are talking about. Don't get so defensive, please. I'm also discussing the topic at hand, including flaws in your reasoning. I don't feel that the elyte question should be shoved >under the rug, I feel as Heidi and Gene Nance do, that >we should step back and see what the pros and cons >are to all of this electrolyting. No one is shoving anything "under the rug". I'm stating my view, which I think is a fairly qualified one, on whether or not Adios was over-electrolyted. We know it causes ulcers and not only in the stomach. Probably true, although I'm not aware of anything other than gastric ulcers, and even that is still somewhat conjecture. On the other hand, elytes also prevent arrythmias, diaphragmatic flutters, muscle fasciculations....as with anything, finding the optimal dosage, frequency and delivery system is the key. Let's not throw out the baby with the bath water. Is working a horse so hard that we have to give >constant electrolytes good for the horse in the long run? >or is it just another way to keep them going to finish a >race? Elytes aren't going to keep any horse going that otherwise is exhausted or whatever. We're not talking an artificial modality here. We're talking replacement of naturally occurring elements that are being lost at an accelerated pace due to the nature of the sport, regardless of pace. I will go back and find Darolyn's original post on this >and you should too and see exactly what she said about >the amount of elytes given. And as I recall, her thoughts >that she should have doubled the dose at some point. Without data as to exact dosage, "double dose" is a relative and meaningless term. The original dose might have been a pinch, or might have been twenty pounds. you can defend them all you want, Nobody's either defending or accusing, so cool your jets a few notches, please. but there are too >many horses dying in endurance and there must be a >very "complex" reason why. I agree. Part of why I spend hundreds of hours every year writing articles discussing how to avoid such problems. Part of why I've shelled out close to $40,000 of my own money for research on the issue (and therefore have some pretty good hard data, as opposed to opinion). Part of why I spend several thousand dollars a year flying around the country teaching seminars to people on what the physiology of breakdown is. Part of why I'm on two different AERC committees actively addressing the problems. What are *you* doing, Amber? If you want to discuss the physiology of horse deaths logically and reasonably without a lot of exaggerations, that's fine. But let's not go assuming that over-electrolyting was a contributing cause until you have some real data, not generalizations, please. Susan G, DVM =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Ridecamp is a service of Endurance Net, http://www.endurance.net. Information, Policy, Disclaimer: http://www.endurance.net/Ridecamp Subscribe/Unsubscribe http://www.endurance.net/ridecamp/logon.asp Ride Long and Ride Safe!! =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
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