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Re: [RC] [RC] Stallions / White River Summer - Maggie MieskeDeanna, I truly don't think it's necessary for every stallion to have a yellow ribbon in his tail. However, to each his own and I will respect a ride manager's request to use one if they feel it's necessary. I do think a hot pink ribbon for a mare in heat or one who is slutty is a nice idea as well at least if it is known that a stallion is in the vicinity. I am not saying that my stallion NEVER talks or NEVER exhibits an interest in a mare but when he does, it's a mild interest and I don't believe it's any more than what some other horses exhibit for any other horse that is new to them. If he behaves badly, he gets his ass kicked (literally). (And then there are those who would reprimand me for THAT!). Horses of all genders vocalize. Some mares behave quite badly in front of a stallion (or even a gelding)....my sister has a mare that does this (or used to). It was good practice for Malik when we first started riding to ride with this mare but boy, I'm surprised he ever wanted to breed a mare after we got through whacking him a couple times....but he learned that dropping and "talking" the talk was NOT appropriate behavior. It got tiresome after awhile to ride with this mare who ALWAYS squatted and peed and who couldn't "help herself" while Malik was expected to totally behave. After some discussion with my sister about it, the mare started getting a good whack whenever she pulled this crap...didn't take long before she learned the rules either. It's only fair that mares learn the rules, too. And geldings....some of the worst hollerers I know are geldings!!! Please do not judge ALL of us who ride stallions on the behavior of one rider on a stallion and please do not relegate all of us who ride stallions to the perimeter of camp. Malik is my soul mate and partner...I adore him and I think the feeling is mutual. He is better behaved than many geldings and mares AND their riders! Endurance is his job and he loves it and we love to be in the thick of things. I will be at Hopkins Creek and so will Malik. I look forward to meeting you and your mare. Miles of smiles, Maggie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Deanna German" <finishis2win@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: "Ridecamp" <ridecamp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Friday, June 13, 2003 1:37 PM Subject: Re: [RC] [RC] Stallions / White River Summer Kari wrote:So we will be going to Hopkins Creek next weekend. (We'll be the ones with the noisy black/gray colt and little chestnut mare) We'll ride at our own pace and probably come in dead last again, but with smiles a mile wide! This is a great sport and we're having a blast training, riding and learning as much as possible from the more seasoned riders.And.... I hope you're planning on camping kind of on the perimeter and keeping this young fella away from other horses on trail and in camp? The reason I ask is that I will be there with a mare that I must presume is in heat all the time, because she *will* be if ANY boy talks sweetly to her -- if an intact boy talks, she doesn't care what he says nor at what volume. I correct my horse for vocalizing in camp, or at least redirect her attention, and wish others would do the same -- no one wants to hear it from any gender and it's just not necessary. I'm not a big fan at all of stallions that talk. If he vocalizes, something needs to be done about it, IMO. I met a group of pleasure riders on trail the other week, a man was riding a stud without a yellow ribbon in the front of a group of about 6 or 7, two abreast and he was in the middle of the trail -- IOW, in the worst possible position from my POV. The horse made that come hither "heh-heh" sound and my mare *tried* to swing her ass towards him. Had he been silent, we would have passed without her noticing him any more than any other horse regardless of the strutting he was doing. I legged my mare sharply in the flank and applied my crop to her hiney to boot her off the trail and into the woods. The stallion rider did nothing other than coo to his horse, "oh yes, that's a pretty mare." I then got the hell outta Dodge, hoping that I wouldn't hear them on our heels. OK, so I'm the one on the slutty mare and it's a real PITA (maybe there should be some type of a way to ID a slutty mare), but as the person who would be the one who could potentially be badly hurt should a breeding occur when I'm mounted, please consider that I don't know and really don't care how good of a stallion handler a person is -- a little communication goes a long way. If you don't already, please put a yellow ribbon on your guy. I try really hard to avoid having my mare anywhere near a stud. As far as "you don't truly know how they're going to react until you try", boy, do I know how that goes! My observation is it's not necessarily the horse's bad behavior that people judge so harshly, it's the handler's reaction to the bad behavior. Also, people tend to notice if it's an every ride occurance or if it's once in a while. See you at Jeannie's ride! Deanna =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Ridecamp is a service of Endurance Net, http://www.endurance.net. Information, Policy, Disclaimer: http://www.endurance.net/Ridecamp Subscribe/Unsubscribe http://www.endurance.net/ridecamp/logon.asp Ride Long and Ride Safe!! =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Ridecamp is a service of Endurance Net, http://www.endurance.net. 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