Re: RE: Re: Re: clipping

["Maggie Mieske" <mmieske@netonecom.net>]

And have I not heard from somewhere that it's a GOOD idea to
train/condition in heat and humidity to build a horse's endurance/tolerance
for it?  Perhaps the extra coat will help with that?  Just thinking out
loud...any comments??


Maggie Mieske
Mieske's Silver Lining
10601 S. Richards Rd.
McBain, Michigan 49657
http://www.netonecom.net/~mmieske
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> From: Bob Morris <bobmorris@rmci.net>
> To: Tamara Jane Habberley <tamarahabberley@lineone.net>; hn.heather
<hn.heather@wanadoo.fr>; Eenergonzillen@aol.com; smw@sos.net
> Cc: ridecamp@endurance.net
> Subject: RC:  RE: Re: Re: clipping
> Date: Thursday, March 16, 2000 5:51 PM
> 
> As far as the "cooling out until dry" syndrome that every one is involved
> with. And as this regards "Clipping" to help the horse.
> 
> I offer the following experience. My horse is out in the rain at this
moment
> and is wet. Temperature with chill factor a short while ago was 21f.
These
> horses have their coats to keep them from being to cold.
> 
> Now, several years ago, (longer than I like to think, we adhered to the
rule
> that you never return to the barn with a wet  ( even damp) horse. It was
in
> the winter and we were very careful to cool the horses down and have them
> dry out while riding home. The trail went along the pasture fence for
about
> a mile. While we were walking home on our mounts, the rest of the herd
> (about 6) ran like mad along the fence back and forth. Needless to say we
> arrived back at the barn with cool dry horses and the others were
wringing
> wet, steaming in the cold air, and sure to die. They also went over to
the
> stream that flows past the barn (in the wet weather) and drank their fill
of
> cold water.
> 
> Needless to say we did not try to "cool out" six wet steaming horses but
we
> did realize that these animals are not as dumb, fragile or self
destructing
> as we like to make them.
> 
> If allowed to be in a semi-natural state, i.e. not kept in a drafty stall
> but allowed to move around, they will not suffer if warm and damp when
> released.
> 
> Another aspect of not clipping is the horse gets more acclimated to the
warm
> weather faster, when not clipped. After all the optimum temperature for
> horses is in the 50's and 60's not any higher.
> 
> Bob Morris
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tamara Jane Habberley [mailto:tamarahabberley@lineone.net]
> Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2000 3:16 PM
> To: hn.heather; Eenergonzillen@aol.com; smw@sos.net
> Cc: ridecamp@endurance.net
> Subject: RC: Re: Re: clipping
> 
> 
> yeah well
> 
> > Yes ducky
> 
> I  wasnt aware Renee was one of our avian friends ! She struck me as
being a
> liveley minded individual with the courage to buck the done thing trend
..
> 
> > > Okay..horses grow long coats to keep warm in the winter, right???
well,
> if
> > you cut all of that off, they have nothing to keep warm 
with....right???
> >
> > Not one of your most profound statements, Renee
> 
> yes but a breathtakingly obvious one and one most my non horsey friends
> make, along with;
> 
>  'why does that rider that just won sit to one side, why do dressage
horse
> always look pissed off, why has the stallion that won shown meglamanic
> tendencies ect' , oh the follies of those who havent been indoctrinated
by
> horsey culture!
> 
> > but you only take blanket off when the horse is working, then you
> > put it back on again, so, in principle the horse won't get cold.
> 
> Or cut out the middle man and dont clip!
> 
> Seroiuly there has been a lot of debate in the UK general equestrian
press
> on clipping, particularly from a lady called Marthe Killey Worhtington.
She
> breeds and competes endurance Arabs upto 100 milers over here. She
belives
> that NOT clipping and NOT rugging is benificial !
> 
> The reasons ;
> 
> 1. as rennee states the horse grows a coat for a specific reason, that is
;
> to keep warm 24 hours a day 7 days per week , we clip it for our
convinence
> on the say 2 hours per day 4 to 5 days per week we ride.
> 
> 2. the coat acts as a natural wick , yes the horse gets hot but the sweat
> etc draws out through the coat.
> 
> 3. rugs can adversly effect the horses movement particularly youngstock,
> most if you watch them sort of shuffle in rugs even well designed ones.
> 
> I have a friend who competes on un rugged , unclipped horses at there
first
> ride this season her mare vetted with a finish heart rate of 36 BPM so it
> obviously didint harm her any.
> 
>  I clipped my cob in febuary this year to compete, he was really cold
rugged
> or otherwise so I let his coat grow back .  I did a 20 CTR ( okay I know
> thats short to most you USA folks, but a good training ride for me) he
was
> hot, sweaty but vetted fine with the same heart  rate he always finishes
on.
> 
> > Uh, slick & shiny with mud you mean.  Where do you live where horses
keep
> so
> > clean?
> 
> Well there you go, its the owners convinience that you rug as its so much
> quicker to groom a clipped and rugged horse... I live in the West
Midlands
> so we never have mud, Ho Ho ( sort of an English joke as Manchesters the
> only wetter city area). However I find using a rubber curry after my
horse
> has been in half an hour or so works fine. I dont worry about a sadlde on
a
> wet back so long as its clean as to me its the same as a saddle on a
sweaty
> horse.
> 
> > Have you ever tried conditioning a horse with a thick winter coat? 
Have
> you
> > ever tried drying off a horse (on a freezing cold day) thats sweated
> heavily
> > because of his shiny slick winter coat?  Try it sometime and you'll see
> why
> > we clip competiton horses in winter!
> 
> Try an airborne or thermatex rug for the stable, you can leave these on
over
> night and they literally wick the sweat of. I have to stable my horse at
> night ( yard rule) hence reason I use a night rug as I feel it must be a
> real shock to a horses sytem after working and warming up to be dumped
into
> a cold stable with nowt on.
> 
> Sorry to go on so , but I really get irrate about the must do whats doen
> sort of thing. At my present yard I've been subject to covert gossip as I
> actualy ( suck inbreath in horror here folks) CAME BACK TO THE YARD ON A
> HORSE THAT HAD SWEATED WHILST RIDDEN , and BEEN SEEN TO BLOW! Apparantly
> ruffling a hiar with sweat due to trotting  is considered an affront to
most
> people on this yard, yet not riding all week then competing in an event
is
> perfectly acceptable!
> 
> Tamara
> 
> p.s. the gossips covert as I flame more effectivly face to face!
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: hn.heather <hn.heather@wanadoo.fr>
> To: <Eenergonzillen@aol.com>; <smw@sos.net>
> Cc: <ridecamp@endurance.net>
> Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2000 10:00 PM
> Subject: RC: Re: clipping
> 
> 
> > Renee wrote:
> >
> > > Okay..horses grow long coats to keep warm in the winter, right???
well,
> if
> > you cut all of that off, they have nothing to keep warm 
with....right???
> >
> > Not one of your most profound statements, Renee.
> >
> > > But, you can put a blanket on them...right???
> > > But what if you take the blanket off???   They would freeze their
> cabooses
> > off....right???
> >
> > Yes ducky but you only take blanket off when the horse is working, then
> you
> > put it back on again, so, in principle the horse won't get cold.
> >
> > > I just don't see the point of clipping a horse..  I mean, personally,
I
> > think they look much nicer when their coats are all slick and shiny.
> >
> > Uh, slick & shiny with mud you mean.  Where do you live where horses
keep
> so
> > clean?
> >
> > > I know that during the winter they get all fluffy and not so
sleek...but
> > who cares...
> >
> > Have you ever tried conditioning a horse with a thick winter coat? 
Have
> you
> > ever tried drying off a horse (on a freezing cold day) thats sweated
> heavily
> > because of his shiny slick winter coat?  Try it sometime and you'll see
> why
> > we clip competiton horses in winter!
> >
> >
> > Heather
> > SW France
> >
> >
> >
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