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I did not mean that their rules applied to AERC but just a reference to what they actually test for.  As I understand it from the board meeting in Kentucky, USEF will test, quantify the results and send them to us.  What we do with them is up to AERC............mb

 

----- Original Message -----
From: "Elizabeth Walker" <bwalker2@xxxxxxx>
To: "Ridecamp" <ridecamp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2009 12:27:01 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific
Subject: Re: [RC] drug rule

Um ... while USEF is now doing the testing, that doesn't mean that their rules apply.  The AERC rules specify threshold levels for only some of the substances.  The majority of substances on the prohibited list don't have any threshold level.  That leads me to some assumptions:

1.  Just because USEF allows something doesn't mean AERC does.  (Specific item - USEF allows yucca, while AERC does not.  :)

2.  If a threshold level is not specified, then my assumption is the substance is still tested under the "any detectable amount"; i.e., presence tests.  Given that USEF testing is supposed to be more sensitive than the testing done by AERC previously, it is entirely possible that substances that "never tested before" will now show up.

If any of those assumptions are wrong, I'm sure somebody will pipe up.  :)

On May 13, 2009, at 12:15 PM, marybenstover wrote:

Check out the USEF websight rule book.  It tells you about their drug rule and pretty much how they test and what amounts are allowable.  The State of California's testing procedures are very similar in what they test for..............mb

 

 

----- Original Message -----
From: "Nancy Reed" <nancy@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: ridecamp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2009 8:37:46 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific
Subject: [RC] drug rule

I had an email conversation w/ a vet from the committee several years ago about this issue.  It was explained to me that AERC did not have the money to do the quantitative (amount) tests, but had the money to do the less expensive presence tests. 

Truman is correct that it is the amount of the substance in many (not all) cases at issue.  I personally have a very big issue w/ changing my horses diet just before a ride; it goes against good horsemanship and can (and does in some horses) cause colic at the ride. 

As that was several years ago, is the new testing quantitative?  If yes, this whole argument is a informative exercise. 

So the follow up is what test will be done?  I think you need an assay of some sort to quantify the amount of the substance.  A screen test (called a tox screen in the medical field) will only be a positive/negative result  and is dependent on the limits of the machine used.  Sorry to muddy up the waters more, but if AERC is moving to a quantitative test then we should all be able to rest easier on this.

Nancy Reed

Lazy J Ranch

Elfin Forest, CA