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RE: [RC] Non-Competitive Rides - Robert J. MorrisAnd if there is no competition but an entry fee is charged then other regulations come into force. Remember that many of these restrictions for designated lands are in place to discourage sizable groups of people. Reference the "heart beat rule" in place in some domains. Even a do's heart beat counts. Bob Morris Boise, ID -----Original Message----- From: ridecamp-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:ridecamp-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Truman Prevatt Sent: Friday, December 19, 2008 10:51 AM To: Diane Trefethen Cc: Ridecamp Subject: Re: [RC] Non-Competitive Rides However, the AERC has plenty of awards as do many regional organizations that are based on miles of completed rides. People compete for these awards by racking up miles. If you strip it back so the ride doesn't count for any AERC awards - then why have a sanctioned ride just go ride it. Truman Diane Trefethen wrote: Truman Prevatt wrote:... Even the fact that you are recording miles or getting point (miles only) make it part of an over all competition.I don't think so. An event maybe - competition, no. The essence of a competition is that there is a winner and at least one other competitor. After all, in a competition, you compete and you can't compete if there is no one to compete against. While it is true that one can compete against oneself, say to better a previous performance, such a "competition" is strictly mental and the various stewards of our national lands haven't got the technology to get into our minds...yet. Alternatively, you can compete against the trail. But here the word is a metaphor since the trail isn't really competing at all. It is just there. A better analogy than comparing a miles-only ride to an Endurance ride or an LD ride would be to compare it to a group of hikers who track their mileage from point to point and how long it took them to traverse those distances. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Ridecamp is a service of Endurance Net, http://www.endurance.net. Information, Policy, Disclaimer: http://www.endurance.net/Ridecamp Subscribe/Unsubscribe http://www.endurance.net/ridecamp/logon.asp Ride Long and Ride Safe!! =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= -- "The trouble with fighting for human freedom is that one spends most of one's time defending scoundrels. For it is against scoundrels that oppressive laws are first aimed, and oppression must be stopped at the beginning if it is to be stopped at all." H. L. Mencken =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Ridecamp is a service of Endurance Net, http://www.endurance.net. Information, Policy, Disclaimer: http://www.endurance.net/Ridecamp Subscribe/Unsubscribe http://www.endurance.net/ridecamp/logon.asp Ride Long and Ride Safe!! =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Ridecamp is a service of Endurance Net, http://www.endurance.net. Information, Policy, Disclaimer: http://www.endurance.net/Ridecamp Subscribe/Unsubscribe http://www.endurance.net/ridecamp/logon.asp Ride Long and Ride Safe!! =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
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