What you write by replacing 50 with LD or 25 is absolutely correct. BUT the difference is is that our by-laws do state that a 50 miles and above is a race. It doesn't mean everyone uses 50s as a race BUT it is defined with placings and a winner. The by laws as far as I know, do not make that distinction for the LD division. Isn't that where all the debate is really coming from? You have some riders that believe that LD should recognized as a race and some that believe it should be defined as not to recognize placing. That doesn't mean that individual can't ride fast in an LD - anymore then it doesn't mean that 50s can't be used as training rides because they do recognize a winner.