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Re: [RC] Junior points - Joe LongOn Mon, 31 Jul 2006 17:24:44 -0400, merryben@xxxxxxx wrote: Close Mike but not totally accurate. Katie was in the standings in the west region when she asked for the letter. Her junior points just disappeared. She had not ridden unsponsored up to that point and elected to stay a junior for the rest of the year so as not to lose her placing. All you have to do is ask for the letter and your points go away. In addition, if you ride as a junior, say in a ride like Tevis which does not allow you to ride unsponsored until you are 18, you are just out of luck. You get regular points. Of course the people in your weight division that are behind you, get fewer points too because you are getting weight division points, even though you are riding as a junior. What will happen if a FW and a JR are heading for first place and the FW decides to let the JR go first to be a nice guy.............Turns out the JR has a letter, even though he is riding with a sponsor that day...........First FW goes to the JR and the FW who let him go first is out of luck. That will be amusing if and when it happens........ ...... Hmmm, it seems we have a problem here, as current practice does not comply with AERC rules. I didn't trust my memory, I went to the AERC website and pulled up the pertinent rules, which are: 10.3 An AERC member 14 years or older who has completed 500 miles or more in the AERC rider mileage program may ride un-sponsored, but will compete in the senior division. 10.3.1 Such un-sponsored young rider must have on file in the AERC office a letter by parent or guardian which consents to and requests un-sponsored status. 10.3.2 The AERC office will then provide a letter for this un-sponsored young rider verifying 500 miles in AERC rider mileage program, which letter must be presented to ride management at check-in or earlier. 10.3.3 Management may choose not to honor the ?un-sponsored young rider? concept and require all persons under 16 years of age to have sponsors. That reads to me that the rider only earns Senior points when riding un-sponsored, that if the ride does not allow riding un-sponsored (or the Junior decides to ride sponsored for a given ride) then the rider earns Junior points for that ride. If that is not the intent, it should be re-worded IMO. There is nothing in the rules currently that even suggests that a Junior cannot revert back to riding as a sponsored Junior, accumulating Junior points, at any time during the ride season. -----Original Message----- From: mmaul@xxxxxxxxx Here's what actually happens: If a Junior requests a letter to ride as an unsponsored rider in the middle of the ride year - their points after that request will all be in the senior division. They will have part of their points in Junior which will not change and the ones which are senior after that point. The points will not be combined in any way. All points after the request will be senior points even if a ride manager does not accept the letter and requires the person to have a sponsor. Once the junior has made the request to ride unsponsored and ridden that way - they can not accumulate any more junior points even if they wish to revert to junior status riding with a sponsor. Mike ________________________________________________________________________ Check out AOL.com today. Breaking news, video search, pictures, email and IM. All on demand. Always Free. -- Joe Long jlong@xxxxxxxxxxxxx http://www.chiprider.com =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Ridecamp is a service of Endurance Net, http://www.endurance.net. Information, Policy, Disclaimer: http://www.endurance.net/Ridecamp Subscribe/Unsubscribe http://www.endurance.net/ridecamp/logon.asp Ride Long and Ride Safe!! =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
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