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Re: [RC] de spooking/trainers - Mary Ann Spencer

Let's face it, not everyone who tries to do Parelli, does it right.  Maybe that horse was even worse than when got it.  Personally, I am discouraged with the 'average' dressage trainer who knows more about adding another 'gadget', etc.  If one has not worked thru the program from the basics on up, then some things are taken out of context.  The idea is training horse and rider together with an easy to follow routine.  It definitely has helped my horses.  They are not as far as should be due to my crazy work schedule.  I am behind in all my training, including conditioning.  We are feeding horses a lot of fancy food that they probably did not have centuries ago.  It can hype them up.  Probably most have tried a new feeding idea that may or may not work for that particular horse.  Finding a training program that has worked for my horses has been great.   Parelli was introduced to me by a coworker while we were in Kuwait back in 2003.   She is using it to retrain rank racing horses.  Where??? In the prison system.  She said it has been working on both the horses and the prisoners.  Since then, I tried using it with only a couple of books.  I really made progress when I got the 'system' and the 7 games videos.  No my horse is not perfect but has really progressed and it made a big difference the few rides I was able to get to.  Have not done much this yr due to scheduling.  Was not ready to go to a trail ride that usually has 1000 horses...OH, MY, I do not like to think what response that would make!!!  BUT let's face it, the first few endurance rides are a high excitement trip.   
 
IMHO, and we all have our opinions.  Don't forget the horse is reacting to EVERYTHING that has happened to him.  They don't seem to forget anything bad that has happened and it always prevails over everything else.  Parelli training really helps lots of people.  If you don't like the coffee, don't drink it. BUT don't throw the cup out with the wash water. 
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I am not a Parelli fan, probably see too many "Parelli"trained horses that I
felt were dangerous and disrespectful..you see people doing things with
horses willy nilly....standing on their backs (falling off!), jumping
bareback, no bridles, with NO HELMETS!, standing on horses lying down,
bridling from their KNEES???  Come on, all very unsafe practices....

I am concerned though when people dismiss these teaching programs with
comments like the above.
The idea of the Parelli/Lyons/Anderson programs to is teach riders to
connect with their horses instead of just treating them as mounts, and to
learn ways of interacting with them which actually makes life much safer.

*Yes, but these guys did not "invent" desentising horses, or working with
them.....and still no justification for the unsafe stuff.

How many of these NASA trained Arabs would benefit with some desentization
work - Walmart bags on the end of carrot sticks flung aound their heads for
a few rounds might go a long way to reduce their airflight time.

*Does that mean we need to buy a $$$$$ carrot stick?

 These programs suggest ways to work with your horses that make them safer
not more disrespectful.  I have seen a lot of obnoxious horses, but none who
have had owners who've spent time with them on the ground, doing the work
taught in these seminars.

*Sorry, I have.  Many common sense ways to work with horses to make then
safer.

Which is more safe - a horse that throws his head to the sky every time you
try to bridle him - sometimes taking your arm out of socket doing so - or a
horse that drops his head - even to the point where you can be on your knees
to put one on? Riding without a bridle is the ultimate connection with a
horse - not to be done without prior teaching of course, but why would one
criticize this type of learning that results in a deeper affinity for your
equine friend?   Why would anyone need a helmet on to do ground work?  I
don't understand these criticisms.

*Boy, lets see.....riding with a bridle is lovely...no criticism of
that...but what about rider on horse with no bridle, no helmet?  Don't need
helmet for ground work, unless you are doing some very dangerous like
kneeling right in front of the horse to bridle it.....I do not do Parelli
work but my horses are lovely to bridle.  Why would anyone even need to
bridle their horse from their knees???

These "celebrities" do have their groupies, of course, Parelli more than
most.  But he is a showman - and spends a lot of time making the system fun
and entertaining.  His program still works.

*Again, not what I have seen or experienced.

Anderson gets to the meat quick with much ado- good solid info there, mate.
I have found that the techniques and tips I gathered from these 3 gurus
(which can be found on RFDTV and in magazines, you don't have to pay a lot
of money to learn about them) to be excellent tools for passing on at 4H
meetings and with new or young riders.

*I totally do not put Lyons or Anderson in same category at Parelli. Even
his  (PP) articles in ride magazine showed very dangerous, stupid stuff
(riding horse into back of trailer with no helmet on rider); person
following a horse on the ground, walking right at it's butt, with the
leadrope in the person's teeth! The advertisement that truly pissed me off
was a small child, jumping bareback on a pony with NO HELMET!!!

It is easily learned and pertinent stuff -and it reduces fear immensely when
new horse people see that a horse will respond to them so well. Anything
that decreases fear is always worth a look.
Not everything new needs to be dismissed - not every change is bad.

*Fine, if he eliminates the dangerous, stupid stuff.

When it coms to horse handling, the majority of people out there could
benefit from a little more understanding and a few more 'techniques" in
their library...

*Obviously,  no argument there.

*Lets see, current horse, age 4, "Parelli" trained. Needed work loading and
unloading, didn't pick up feet without kicking at me, didn't know word "ho",
disrespectful by crowding....skittish to saddle, hard to bridle.......what
am I missing here?  Every darn horse I have bought with some
"Parelli training" has had to be retrained.  And, if I see a horse for sale
advertised with Parelli training, I know I will have to retrain that
horse....

I could not even get this guy to move his hindquarters over with light hand
cue (to teach him to do it-disingague hindquarders) in order to learn leg
cue.  If you even looked at his hind end, or feet, he would move
them....what the heck use is that?  I often SCRUTINIZE, and look at hard,
legs, feet, way of going.  I don't want the horse moving away just from me
LOOKING at him, I want him to wait for a verbal or touch cue.  Again,
useless waste of time, no usefull application I can see.....


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