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Many horses take longer to recover at the first check than any other 
check since they are still excited and the first check is normally 
exciting. It has nothing to do with recovery.

When the discussion was going around about checking when they go out, I 
was working a ride and I checked a bunch of horses when they went out 
and noted the recovery time to the pulse when they went out. Zero 
correlation.

A 100 miles is a long way. If there is a check at 15 miles and a horse 
is great shape and because of that still bouncing off the wall at 15 
miles he should not be penalized. While this concept may sound go it may 
be more of a "feel good" rule than an actual rule that would do any good.

Much data needs to be collected.

Truman

Sisu West Ranch wrote:

> The proposal is an interesting concept, and may have lots of merit.  
> Before asking for a rule change I would like to see some data gathered.
>  
> 1. Is taking more than 15 minutes to recover predictive of trouble 
> later in the ride? 
> 2. Is 15 minutes a magic number or should it be 10 or whatever?
> 3. How many horses who are on a pace that probably will allow for a 
> placing have >15 minute recoveries?
> 4. Is there an effect from high humidity and temperatures?
>  
> The data exists in raw form on each and every ride.  The time of entry 
> to the check is recorded.  The time of pulse down is recorded.  All 
> the interested parties (and I note that a bunch of experienced vets 
> and RM's are on the list) would have to do is to recruit some RM's to 
> organize this data and  report to a statistician these numbers, along 
> with the eventual fate of the horse, and the temp and humidity at the 
> ride.
>  
> In UMECRA a number of years ago, someone proposed that in CTR the time 
> between entering a hold and the required P/R time  be shortened from 
> 10 to 5 minutes.  The idea was that this would better reward superior 
> horsemanship, etc.  The proposal was studied at a number of rides by 
> taking pulse at 5 and 10 minutes.  The bottom line was that the 
> placings remained the same, and taking a pulse at 5 minutes was a pain. 
>  
> Disclaimer:  Don't get me wrong I am not against the proposal, I just 
> want to make sure that it will change things in a positive way before 
> imposing more work on the RM's.  This proposal has been around for a 
> number of years, so I see no harm in analysing already existing data 
> before changing things.
>  
> Ed
> Ed & Wendy Hauser
> 2994 Mittower Road
> Victor, MT 59875
>  
> (406) 642-9640
>  
> ranch@xxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:ranch@xxxxxxxxxxx>



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"Mathematics may be defined as the subject in which we never know what 
we are talking about, nor whether what we are saying is true."  - 
Bertrand Russell




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