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Not to be picky, Tom, but as someone who is always after people to go  
look for the needed information from journals and so on, it would  
seem to be the case that you are not following your own advice.   
(shaking a finger and saying 'tsk, tsk, tsk') AERC as a body is  
incredibly easy to get information from and much of it is available  
through the website. I'm sure that you are capable of getting the  
numbers.

And please don't tell me or anyone else that you were unaware of the  
wondrous number of horse deaths in 2000-2002 when you were working  
with Tahnoon and Dubai was pouring all that money into "introducing"  
their version of endurance flat racing to all the countries in the  
Middle East and north Africa because you were still on Ridecamp at  
that time and I was screaming blue murder about it.  There is a fatal  
flaw in the paradigm for the UAE and some of the group there buy into  
it more than others.  Winning at those speeds and distances kills  
horses that aren't prepared and damages those that are after a  
while.  They didn't care that idiots in Egypt (like Syria, like  
Morocco, like Jordan, .....ad nauseaum) were riding horses to death  
to win big bucks as long as the picture was there for their silly  
politics. And even now, the most important wins for the various  
families in the UAE have nothing to do with being the "best in the  
world" but much more to do with beating cousin Ahmed.  Witness the  
last alleged WEC, where family politics were the name of the game and  
either doping or contaminating samples was the way to win.  Sheesh.

Tom, I own quite a few of your books and really value your knowledge,  
but let's play this as an honest game. You collect information via  
the internet that you aren't mobile enough to collect bodily. You'll  
get much more of it, and more cooperation, by being just a touch less  
arrogant and if you play yourself by the rules that you set for others.

And are they still killing horses in Egypt?  Not as much because I  
understand that they aren't getting the funding from the UAE anymore.  
Now there is a movement to (horrors!) not race so much and try to  
keep the bloody horses alive.

Maryanne
Cairo

On Aug 2, 2005, at 7:38 AM, Ridecamp Guest wrote:

> Please Reply to: ti Tivers@xxxxxxx or ridecamp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> ==========================================
>
> He told you where to get the raw data:  "... please send a request
> to the AERC Veterinary Committee and/or the AERC Welfare of
> the Horse Committee for the information."  This topic has been  
> thoroughly
> discussed on this forum in recent years, and the information is  
> available to
> anyone for the asking.
>
> So if you are really interested in the "actual numbers" and not just
> grandstanding again, why don't you do as he suggested?
>
> --
>
> Joe Long>
>
> I was under the illusion, from his post, that he knew. Simple  
> question to answer. You must know, too, Joe. But the opportunity  
> for bluster is just too much to resist, isn't it?
>
> No more from me on this subject until the actual data is presented.
>
> ti
>
>
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