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I'd say it is more than a "management" issue but an issue of procedures. 
The procedure of not allowing one to go back their trailer prior to 
going to the P&R box that Cindy referred to is a procedure. Not being 
able to feed your horse in line is a procedure. These have nothing to do 
with a Pulse box. We've had those in the SE before I started riding and 
there is nothing about "not going back to your trailer or bringing in 
hay" implicit in a Pulse box. In fact at some rides managers put hay at 
the back of the box so you can grab a hand full to feed your horse in 
case there is a line. Some don't like the segeration of the ridecamp. 
That is a procedure that flows directly from the FEI rules.

The rub comes in since if they are procedures they must be followed in 
which case they take on the same status of a rule since you can be DQed 
if not followed. If the procedures flow from the FEI rules then they are 
in fact rules that govern an FEI ride and should not be implemented 
toward the AERC riders. If they don't flow from an FEI rule then why the 
hell are they in place? They seem to aggrivate some segment of the 
membership?

Back when I was running for board a couple of years ago, I got several 
Emails in the two hand full a time or two over number, from people (not 
any of the people that have come forward in this discussion) complaining 
about the new procedures that had been put in place at a co-sanctioned 
ride and how they sure didn't like it. BTW most all the Emails were from 
riders in the western part of the US. So first it is an issue and saying 
it isn't won't solve much.

The ultimate solution - if co-sanctioning is to work - maybe to segerate 
the ride completely - FEI go one direction to a crew area, the AERC 
riders a different direction. They could share a common vet area and 
vets, but they would be governed by different procedures - the FEI the 
procedures that flow from the union of the AERC and FEI rules and the 
AERC riders those that flow from the AERC rules. The FEI officials could 
watch over the FEI riders to their hearts content with the direction 
from the ride manager that they have no authority or status over any 
other rider. They could also share the same timers since timing is 
independent of a "F" on your horse's butt or not.

The other option would be that every co-sanctioned ride would be 
required to have an AERC steward whose job would be to insure that no 
additional procedures were implemented on the AERC portion of the ride.

I think it can work, but clearly there some riders - long time high 
mileage riders - that have issues with it so it doesn't seem to be 
working all that well.

Truman

k s swigart wrote:

> Heidi said:
>
>  
>
> > A well-run ride is a well-run ride, whether it is
> > dual-sanctioned or not.  I've heard the same
> > complaints that Jim and Karen have made from
> > just plain old AERC rides, too.  The problems
> > are management issues, not FEI issues, methinks...
> >    
>
> While it is true that it is a management issue, the fact remains that it
> requires more management skills to run an FEI ride well.  So, while
> there are some ride managers who have sufficient organizational skills
> to run an AERC ride just fine such that few people suffer the
> consequences of their lack of great skills, when you add the FEI
> component to this ride, those lacking skills cause lots of problems that
> otherwise would not manifest themselves.
>
> Sometimes, juggling the extra balls associated with dual sanctioning
> causes less than competent jugglers to drop a bunch of balls...that they
> wouldn't have if they hadn't had those extra things to deal with,
> especially since there is a great deal of pressure NOT to drop any of
> those extra FEI balls.  In which case, the manifestation of the poor
> management is caused specifically by the dual sanctioning.
>
> kat
> Orange County, Calif.
>
>
>
>  


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