come on Heidi, go to the archives - hopefully they go back to '97 and
'98 and read the post. The last time Gayle Ecker posted was when Ivers
head long thumping his chest in a rabid attack on her. Gayle has more
info in her database on endurance horses that just about everyone else
combined. I don't blame her - why does she need that aggrivation. The
loss of people like Gayle was a big loss to this forum. I remember when
Dane Frazier would post. I remember when Mike Tomlinson would post. I
remember when other vets - very good vets - like Kim Henninman would
post. They all stop posting about the time of Ivers.Coincidence, maybe
yes maybe no.
You have every right to subscribe to Ivers list if you want. While you
might not like that everyone doesn't agree with you on some of your
issues on this list - you still have the right to express your opinion
without being thrown off the list as do the others on this list. For
that you should be thankful. Sure this list gets carried away on
occasion - for the most part it is fairly civil.
If I had a tone suspensory or a torn tendon or any other horse related
issue, I'd call my local vet and if he suggested take it to one of the
clinics in Ocala or to the UF vet clinic that's where I'd go. I sure
would not ask any list.
>From what I remember when Ivers was on this list the rancor
could get pretty high in the discussions he was involved in. I would
not necessarily categorize his approach as "science" unless you
consider pseudo science and science as the same. He seemed to require
a different standard of "proof" for what he believed over what he
didn't believe. Where I come from that is called religion - not
science.
Well, I can't say as I've seen any
"religion" on his board, just facts with studies to back them up, no
opinions, unless you have something to back them up too.
He was willingly even aggressively promoting the use of such things as
cold light lasers (which I believe he sells so they bring in a profit)
while calling chiropractis quackery, I think his derogatory term for it
is "the laying on of hands." When in fact there is most likely more
eveidence to support chiropractis than cold light lasers.
Have never seen any "cold light
lasers" on his website, so maybe you're thinking TENS or EMS units?
Enough recovered bowed tendon owners out there that can give you some
information on those. A few even on this board!
I would venture to say despite some of the hot button topics such as
LD, drug policy, breeding, shoes vs. no shoes, etc., this list is much
more civil today than it was druing the days Ivers was on it unless you
were not in agreement with him.
Those so called Hot Topics were
exactly what I was referring to. Then you throw in the tall horses vs.
short horses, CMK vs. non, mustangs/BLM, etc. Civil? I'd hardly call it
that!!! Unless you're hitting the delete key, I'd say this board is as
hot as ever. In fact, ask the regular persons who are regularily flamed
for such the minorest of supposed offenses! And, since I do post/read
Tom's board, I can say without a doubt, I haven't seen nary a flicker
in the whole time I've subscribed. Flaming and getting kicked off for
not following rules are two separate topics. As are comparing this
board with Tom's. Two completely separate things. Here's a great
example... someone posts on this board that they actually enjoy Tom and
get a ton of information from him, have not been bashed on his board,
no flaming is allowed and look what happens. It would be interesting to
see if the people protesting Tom the loudest either A.unsubscribed to
his board, B. were ever accepted to his board, or C. were kicked off
his board!
To each their own I say! I'll
enjoy both for what they are.... 2 complete and separate entities with
little in common. But, if I have a torn suspensory, or bowed tendon,
I'll ask Horsescience. If my tights are too baggy, my tent leaks or I
need to know what breed to buy, I'll ask here!!!
