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Hi Cindha,

We also tried using limited speed in the lower distance practice rides during the first years of endurance in Egypt and found all sorts of interesting problems for us that were probably cultural and related to terrain. We've ended up going back to plain old 40 km rides where people have to learn to pace their horses by being eliminated for not pulsing down in 20 minutes.  We had a 40 km ride yesterday at which the 6th rider in took first place because the five in front of her either didn't pulse down in time or were slightly lame. That's a learning experience.

The big problem that we had with the limited speed rides was that we didn't realise how many people weren't wearing watches and were therefore unable to judge time.  No brainer, but a real problem. Now our riders have learned to wear watches. LOL.  But we still have a problem with people realising that they are coming in too fast and stopping or bunching up on the track.  I think that this last ride was maybe the best teaching situation.

Maryanne
Cairo, Egypt

On Wednesday, May 19, 2004, at 22:08 Africa/Cairo, Cidinha wrote:

> Hello American Friends
> ?
> Let me try:
> In Brasil there are another discussion. Here, limited distance/category is a ride where a rider has a time to do it. We call Velocidade Limitada = limited speed. They are short rides: 27km, 35km, 50 km. Brazilian riders use these rides to training his horses,?to know about Endurance and to initiate in Endurance.
> After a time, they run in Limited Distances: 50km, 60km, 74km.
> Comparing with Fórmula 1: Ayrton Senna (of course I have to mention him), Schummaker, Rubens Barrichello (another Brazilian), Emerson Fittipaldi, Nelson Piquet, Alain Prost etc. etc.. etc.. don't began in Fórmula 1 races, but in kart races.
> In all sports - voleyball, basketball, football (soccer), tenis, etc. etc. etc... exist the initial categories where they learn how to do?the sport.
> In every sports there are places to everyone: who wants to compete, who wants to have fun, who wants to participate.
> I think that the discussion about Endurance in the world should be about the high speeds developed by the arabians.
> I was in Abu Dhabi (National Day Cup, December 4) with Luiz Alberto M de Carvalho e Silva, the only endurance blind rider in the world. He was invited by HH Sheikh Mansoor after read two articles that I wrote to Endurance World Magazine. And I was worried and scared with the high average speed (23 km/h, 24 km/h) in the ride.
> In Presidents Cup, the winner complete a 160 km ride in 7 hours!!!!
> Comparing with Fórmula 1 today:
> Ferrari = UAE riders. To me: there is no fun to watch Fórmula 1 race because I know: Schummy will be the winner and the others, Mac Laren, Willians, Lotus etc... will dispute the third, fourth, fifth place.
> In Endurance is happening the same.
> ?
> Hope you can understand my point of view.
> ?
> In Brasil, some Endurance riders are organizing the rides because we don't have new?endurance riders. The new riders?are scared: only exists rides of 80 km, 120km and 160 km.
> ?
> Cidinha?
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Susan Young
> To: Cidinha ; ridecamp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2004 3:21 PM
> Subject: Re: [RC] LD vs Endurance... can't we all get along?
>
> Now...THIS is a good way to end the dispute all together!? Put it in a language many of us can't understand!!? Works for me!? Thanks, Cidinha, for putting an end to this foolishness!
>
> Cidinha <cidinha@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> Hello
>
> No Brasil, discute-se uma outra categoria: velocidade limitada - provas onde
> os cavaleiros têm um tempo para completar.
> São provas para se iniciar tanto o cavalo quanto o cavaleiro no esporte.
> Comparando com a Fórmula 1: todos os corredores tiveram seu
> início/aprendizado no Kart.
> Nenhum deles começou diretamente na Fórmula 1.
> Em todos os esportes existem as categorias de base, pois são elas que formam
> os profissionais nas categorias de ponta.
> Todos os jogadores de basquete da NBA já iniciaram em grandes campeonato ou
> foram se aprimorando nas faculdades/high schools?
> Há lugar para todo mundo: quem quer competir, quem quer somente participar,
> quem quer se divertir etc.
>
> A discussão sobre o Enduro/Endurance hoje deveria se voltar às altas
> velocidades que os árabes estão desenvolvendo. Caso contrário, teremos
> campeonatos onde os primeiros lugares serão garantidos pelos árabes e o
> restante do mundo disputando outras posições.
> Vide fórmula 1 com a Ferrari.
>
> Cidinha Franzão
> cidinha@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>
>
>
> Susan [Young], The Wicked Princess of Pink
> Semper Obliquo (Always aside)
>
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>
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