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Re: [RC] another proposal - Howard Bramhall

OK, Heidi may have only made 3 posts in the last hour so I'm breaking my rule already (now I'll wait for 17 of Heidi's till my next one) but, hey, Matthew's idea isn't going to get passed verbatim, is it?  Doesn't the process have to go through the AERC Rules Committee and then get final approval from the Board?  Won't they (the Rules Committee) write it according to how they want it worded?  Make it perfectly clear so that even I can understand it?
 
Dr. Mac's idea gets passed on to the appropriate Committee and they re-write it and adapt it accordingly.  It won't be the gospel according to anyone; it will be a rule they write in their own language even if the initial concept came from someone not on the Committee.
 
cya,
Howard
----- Original Message -----
From: Bob Morris
Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2003 3:19 PM
Subject: RE: [RC] another proposal

Jim:

This is why such proposals need full disclosure as to the
details. When such are left out, while the proposal may
sound almost perfect, the field application trips very
badly.

Bob

Bob Morris
Morris Endurance Enterprises
Boise, ID

-----Original Message-----
From: ridecamp-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:ridecamp-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Jim
Holland
Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2003 12:49 PM
To: Bob Morris
Cc: steph@xxxxxxxxxxxxx; oddfarm; ridecamp; Bobbie Lieberman
Subject: Re: [RC] another proposal


Hmmmm...not the way I understood it. This DOES need
clarification. I
understood "placing" to mean Top Ten and "completion" in
this case to
mean the same thing as finishing normally, just not in the
Top Ten.

There is a HUGE difference. Under your interpretation, ALL
riders would
have to recover within 15 minutes or you get nothing but the
"pleasure"
of a trail ride. IMHO, that's the same as reducing the time
for recovery
from 30 minutes to 15 minutes....as Lisa suggested. If that
IS the case,
why bother with all this? Just drop the recovery to 15
minutes at all
checks and the finish and forget about a "completion only".
I think this
interpretation is too drastic a change all at once and would
impact too
many riders who are NOT racing.

Bobbie, could you please clarify EXACTLY the meaning here?

As to Weight Divisions, it is my understanding "word of
mouth" and from
some private emails, that Matthew did not think it was
appropriate to
include weight divisions, at least initially, but it was not
in the
written proposal.

This is something the Vet Committee/Horse Welfare Committee
and the BOD
could discuss. Personally, I would prefer to omit Weight
Divisions
initially just to keep it simple....but I would accept
either choice.

Jim, Sun of Dimanche+, and Mahada Magic


Bob Morris wrote:
>
> Jim:
>
> Please read the proposal once more. It states .....
1)Those
> who are permitted to continue for placing, and
> . 2) Those who are permitted to continue for completion.
>
> At every vet check, in order to continue to compete for a
> placing, your horse must recover to pulse parameters
within
> 15 minutes. If your horse recovers after 15 minutes but
> before 30 minutes you may continue for completion only. If
> it takes longer than 30 minutes for your horse to recover,
> your horse will be eliminated from the competition
entirely.
> At the finish, your horse must recover within 15 minutes
in
> order to get a placing. Between 15 and 30 minutes, your
> horse is eligible for completion only and longer than 30
> minutes and your horse will be eliminated from the
> competition
>
> If you exceed the 15 minutes then you get completion only.
> COMPLETION ONLY!! No points, mileage only. This excludes
you
> from any points awards for that ride. No weight division
> points. COMPLETION ONLY!!!
>
> You state <<<Matthew's proposal does not apply to weight
> divisions>>> Please indicate where this is stated.
>
> Bob
>
> Bob Morris
> Morris Endurance Enterprises
> Boise, ID
>


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