Home Current News News Archive Shop/Advertise Ridecamp Classified Events Learn/AERC
Endurance.Net Home Ridecamp Archives
ridecamp@endurance.net
[Archives Index]   [Date Index]   [Thread Index]   [Author Index]   [Subject Index]

Re: [RC] who is captain of the ship - Barbara McCrary

I think I pretty much agree with you, Bob.  The placing in a ride has true significance.  But if people keep worrying about how terrible it is having the occasional horse die (and I'm not suggesting it's OK, mind you), then what is the solution but to stop the speed motive?  We want our cake, but want to be able to eat it, too.  If we want racing, then we are going to have to accept the fact that a horse will die occasionally.  Unless, of course, we find some way to prevent death.  I don't have a truly useful solution, does anyone else?
 
Barbara
----- Original Message -----
From: Bob Morris
Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 1:03 PM
Subject: RE: [RC] who is captain of the ship

Well, racing has been associated with horses since time immemorial. The Greeks, the Romans and many tribes before them. The Mongols, even the first settlers in this country raced their horses.
 
And after all these centuries, endurance the epitome of true racing, is facing a breed of rider not enthused with speed? ATRC, American Trail Ride Association just does not do it for me.
 
Bob
 

Bob Morris
Morris Endurance Enterprises
Boise, ID

-----Original Message-----
From: ridecamp-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:ridecamp-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Barbara McCrary
Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 1:44 PM
To: McGann, Barb; ridecamp
Subject: Re: [RC] who is captain of the ship

A good part of my questions are meant to prod people into thinking about racing and the possible resulting damage to horses.  Part of it is "tongue in cheek".  Part of it is playing "devil's advocate".  And part of it is directed to the possibility of some other way to conduct endurance rides, since most people agree that speed is a "killer".  I'm not even sure whether I even like the idea myself, but I thought I would throw it out there for people to contemplate.  Maybe it will get people to thinking about other possibilities.
 
Barbara
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 12:03 PM
Subject: RE: [RC] who is captain of the ship

Barbara,
 
I'm sitting here trying to honestly imagine what a ride like that would be like.  If we didn't award speed, what would we award?  Best Conditon?
 
Ok, so 50 or 60 riders get together to go for a looong trail ride.  You gather at the starting line and everyone moseys out of camp.  Some people want to walk, some want to trot and a few might even want to canter, so you start spreading out along the trail.  Ride all day with no pressure.  Finish the ride and stand for Best Condition (everyone would get to stand for it, since placings wouldn't determine anything).  The speed element would have to be taken out of it, too, so the only things that would count are horse condition and rider weight (as a heavy-weight rider myself - woohoo!).  Since horse condition is at least partially related to how fast you rode, we would have a 30-way tie for Turtle award!
 
Now, since the only challenge left is against the trail (certainly not other riders and not against your personal best time, etc), what do you want to bet that the ride managers will start saying, well lets make the trail a REAL challenge.  Lets put those riders up over Mt. Baldy and through the glaciers, that'll be a real test. (Been there, done that...don't get me started about the 50 mile ride that the winner took over 9 1/2 hrs).
 
Also, since the ride vets will have a hell of a time judging 50 or 60 horses at the end and determining BC, we would need to evolve a complicated point system to assign values to each parameter judged all through the ride, so we wouldn't have 10-way ties on BC.  (The more points possible, the less chance of ties).  The vets wouldn't have to do as much vetting, but they'd have to do a lot more "judging".  Of course, there would be a lot of "Well, the reason I didn't win is that judge(vet) doesn't like me".
 
Since I am a mid-pack or back-of-the-pack rider, I'm not automatically against this, just that I'm not sure what the allure would be to get me to drive hundreds of miles, spents thousands of $, to do group trail rides.  If this was what would draw us, then why aren't we doing NATRC or Chief Joseph trail rides which are readily available?
 
Its just that there is something really special about cruising along thinking you are 15th and finding out you were really 9th!  Or that you were 45th out of 90 - on that particular day, you and your horse performed better than 45 others.  And having experienced show and NATRC, that was the thing that drew me to this sport - the fact that you are competing against the clock!  There's not shades of gray, no "he didn't like me", just your performance measured by an impartial clock.
 
Barb McGann, AERC #840
-----Original Message-----
From: ridecamp-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:ridecamp-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Barbara McCrary
Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 12:16 PM
To: Howard Bramhall; ridecamp
Subject: Re: [RC] who is captain of the ship

If we didn't award speed, would the problems go away?  What would happen if we only went out to ride for the pleasure, the experience, and the adventure?  What would happen if AERC did not recognize speed?  Would everyone quite the sport? 
 
Barbara
 

Replies
RE: [RC] who is captain of the ship, Bob Morris