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Re: [RC] [RC] automatic sanctions - Nik Isahak Abdullah

Joe,
I cannot agree with you more.As the guy who "was responsible"for a horse death at the highest possible level i.e WEG Ifelt devastated,paranoid and crucified by friends and foes,even fellow teammates,even with or without sanction.That 8 month wait for the final FEI findings felt like 8 years.Thus when it came out as "multifactorial" ,whatever it may mean,it sound like music from heaven!

Dr Nik

From: Joe Long <jlong@xxxxxxxx>
Reply-To: jlong@xxxxxxxx
To: terre <tobytrot@xxxxxxxxx>
CC: ridecamp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [RC]   automatic sanctions
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 22:36:49 -0600

On Fri, 24 Oct 2003 19:34:41 -0700, terre <tobytrot@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

>Hey, all
> Truman posted the other day a suggestion that AERC impose an
>automatic one year suspension on anyone who had a horse die at a ride---and
>nobody reacted! You guys asleep or something? He and I discussed it a
>little off-list, and this is what I came up with:

Well, I missed it.  But perhaps nobody responded because, it is so
outrageous, that no one took it seriously.  It stands the American
tradition of "innocent until proven guilty" on its head:  it presumes
anyone who has a horse die from metabolic causes at a ride guilty,
unless they can prove themselves innocent by an expensive, lengthy and
arduous process.  They are suspended while the process is under way.
And it leaves them stigmatized even if their automatic suspension gets
rescinded.  For something that, as Truman has himself noted, can
happen to any one of us at any time.

The process would also inevitably be politicized.  While I was on the
Board I saw, first-hand and close-up, how "who the accused were"
affected the resolution of protests against riders for alleged abuses.

>> So: if a horse dies at the ride for metabolic reasons, or at a
>> clinic after referral from a ride--automatic 1 year suspension. (this
>> would not include horses who trailered home, colicked and died the next
>> day or so--I DO think that is due to the ride but would be impossible to
>> accurately monitor). If a rider feels the death is truly unrelated to
>> the ride (aneurism, heart attack), they may order and pay for an
>> necropsy, and file a protest including the report, to the P&G
>> committee. The Vet Committee should have supplied to the P/G committee a
>> list (by technical name) of the conditions they consider
>> "extenuating". If the protest is upheld the rider gets his protest fee
>> refunded (but still has paid for the necropsy) and the suspension is
>> lifted. ALL of this is reported--pro, con, necropsy results--ALL of it.
>>
>>terre (I was expecting a big furor on rc when you called for automatic
>>sanctions--and nada! Amazing!)
>
>Ok, folks--have at it!
>
>terre
>
>
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