Home Current News News Archive Shop/Advertise Ridecamp Classified Events Learn/AERC
Endurance.Net Home Ridecamp Archives
ridecamp@endurance.net
[Archives Index]   [Date Index]   [Thread Index]   [Author Index]   [Subject Index]

Re: [RC] Howard...what's your point? - Howard Bramhall

John, I'm all for the idea of having longer hold times.  I think the way we do that is to make the 12 hour limit on 50's and the 24 hour limit on 100's "ride" time and ride time only (does not include the hold time).  That way, any hold time does not count, so if you want to add longer and longer times at the vet checks the rider's won't say, "Well, that gives us less time out on the trail, so, we're against it."  It's an idea whose time has come and I would love to see it enacted.  And, no more than 15 miles before you at least have a "Stop and Go," where the heart-rate is checked, at the minimum.  This is the sort of change that will save horse's lives at our rides.
 
I agree, it's not only newbies that are losing horses.  That's what scares the crap out of me!  It can happen to anyone and, I mean anyone.  The fact that it happens to our best riders and our best horses is what should wake us all up to the fact that we do need to make some changes here. 
 
I'm not saying that my idea of setting a prerequisite for 100 milers would fix this problem.  It's only a drop in the bucket.  But, throw that one in with the idea of more checks, longer hold times, less distance traveled between checks, put it all together, and, man, if it doesn't improve any of the death or serious metabolic problems that's occurring at our rides, I would really be surprised.  And, I really do believe distance traveled to a ride is so important we need to focus on that one.  Let's get the word out that traveling 1000 miles to get to a ride and arriving the day before you begin 100 miles on your horse is not really a good idea.
 
Maybe the answer is anytime you put a horse and rider combination in a competitive situation you will have horse fatalities. Some might say that no matter what we do, this is going to happen. They may even have a point but, at least we would be able to say we put forth our best efforts to reduce the numbers.
 
America is looking in my window right now asking me, "Are you typing again?  Nobody's listening to you, come out and play.  Bet you can't catch me."  I've gotten a bit carried away lately, sitting around drinking a beer or two, reflecting on life and endurance after turning the big 50, letting my six horses run around in my front yard, knocking over trash cans and acting like they can do what ever they want at Howard's house (it's always a party).  But, when you let them interact with you to the point where they are a part of your life 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, I'm probably not the one any of you should listen to when it comes to this topic.  I may be completely insane!  BTW, I've taught Dance Line to crush beer cans with his hoof so I can now fit more empty beer cans into the recycling bin without them spilling out all over the place like they used to.
 
So, to answer John's question I guess my point is there should be some reaction when a horse dies at an endurance ride.  When more than 5 die in a year, there should be some changes made.  When that happens two or three years in a row, some serious changes should be made.  Hey, it's only my opinion, horses seem to run things at my place so I'm probably not the right guy to turn to with this sort of thing because if it were left to me everything would be about the horse and the riders' interests would be a distant second.  Radical thought, I know.
 
cya,
Howard  (six horses = 300 lbs of crap a day; geez, Howard, no wonder you're so full of it)
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, October 17, 2003 3:44 PM
Subject: [RC] Howard...what's your point?

I am always glad to read what Howard writes because the man
does not mince words.  But...I think, Howard, is that you have
missed the obvious.  It is not the newbie riders who are losing
horses!  The one lost in Vermont last weekend was very tragic and
when I step back and take a look, it is the sport at fault.  Calm
down, I love endurance and I think everyone is trying for the same
goal, the interest of the sport...but the fact remains that we need to
be protected from ourselves..and that goes for the horse too. 
The only way I can see that happening is to have more holds. 
More holds means more rest time for the horse, more opportunities
for the vets to evaluate the horse and less time on the trail to get
into trouble before it's caught.  Loops of 20+ miles are simply too
long.  The Pan Ams had three loops - 20-20-21 miles.  The
Vermont ride had the first two loops - 18-21 miles.  The horse gets
into a deficit but is willing to go on despite itself.  By the time the
horse or rider recognizes that there is trouble, it can be too late. 
No vet can be expected to pull a horse out of metabolic trouble
every time and I feel sorry for those vets that do everything in their
power but cannot save a horse.  I feel even more for the rider who
can second guess themselves forever about what they missed in
their horse before it failed.  I feel the most for the horse because
this is just a game we play and we invite them to join us although
we all fully understand the risks....they do not.

John and Sue Greenall
mailto:greenall@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
http://www.vermontel.com/~greenall

=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=

 Ridecamp is a service of Endurance Net, http://www.endurance.net.
 Information, Policy, Disclaimer: http://www.endurance.net/Ridecamp
 Subscribe/Unsubscribe http://www.endurance.net/ridecamp/logon.asp

 Ride Long and Ride Safe!!

=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=


Replies
[RC] Howard...what's your point?, John & Sue Greenall