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RE: [RC] [AERC-Members] Updated AERC BoD Midyear meeting Agenda - Bob MorrisAnother point of interest is who is sponsoring these requests for grants proposed by the Vet Committee? Are the proposals in a formal request for grant state and what is being offered the AERC that will be of benefit? Are there any matching funds or "in lieu" contributions? Or is the AERC funding the total effort? Who will posses the results? Will they be shared, published or squirreled away in academia? Sorry Board, but the membership deserves full disclosure! Bob Bob Morris Morris Endurance Enterprises Boise, ID -----Original Message----- From: AERCMembersForum-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:AERCMembersForum-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of John Teeter Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2003 8:21 PM To: Bob Morris; Michael Maul; ridecamp; CT_Region; AERC Members Subject: RE: [AERC-Members] Updated AERC BoD Midyear meeting Agenda The references to lack of publication of the specifics (or more reasonably definition and publication of an overview which would inform the membership prior to commitment of funds), is only one of the problems that the $s rich AERC board should address. There are funds for trails projects, funds for technical purchases, and the referenced funds for veterinary research grants which are on the table. In all cases, there has not been, to my knowledge, any information made available to the membership as to how one might make application to participate. There has been no call for proposals. There has been, again to my knowledge, no review of the proposals made available (even to the board members let alone the membership??). It seems very much like cart before the horse (sorry - equine mr. eiland) to start giving out the $s before the organization has a way to figure out the value return and before equitable availability to all (regions in the case of trails) is resolved. I'm sure there are reasonable and worthy projects throughout the land, but there is no way for people to make application. And there is no way for the organization to evaluate the value - that would be value to the membership, simuliar to the general "increase shareholder value", of any of these projects. Possibly it would behove the board to direct that the infrastructure for the granting process be put in place before any significant funds are allocated. Addressing the specific line items is premature. How much total spending is being proposed?? is it >$100k? is it > $200k? woe to the poor director that must make an informed decision during an 8 hour session in a tent in the desert:) jt. At 07:49 PM 10/9/2003, Bob Morris wrote: The following grant proposals present a questionable action: The following proposals are being presented to the BOD for approval at this time. Each proposal will be voted on separately. 1) Pen State/Dr. Durando. Ranked #1 and graded A. Good value and very possibly could identify horses that maybe should not be involved in our sport. We recommend funding this one NOW. Notice Meg Sleeper is part of the study. 2) Oklahoma/McKenzie. Ranked #2 and graded B+. fair to Good value and certainly important in endurance. Could just possibly be a precursor to our kidney failures? Top people and also endurance people. We recommend funding this one as well. 3) Kansas/Poole & Erickson. Ranked #3 and graded B. Not sure EIPH is a concern in endurance and too commercially involved. I asked if the makers of the strip would be interested in splitting and got a NO. We do not recommend this one be funded. 4) VA/Kronfield. Ranked #4 and graded A-. You have the original and a revised one I got today. This is ongoing research and wants help. They are offering to give us articles etc. if we send them money. We recommend partial funding at this time ($5,000 to $10,000). These grant proposals as stated presume full knowledge not available to the membership. Since the grant funds are a fairly considerable amount I believe that it is only fair that the membership be made aware of the details associated with these grants. For instance, taking #1 above; exactly what is of good value and could possibly identify horses that should not be involved in our sport? Are we looking to deny entrance to endurance competition certain horses with particular characteristics? And the #2 above; just what is of good value and certainly important in endurance? I have not experienced kidney failure and have not heard of any one else having such experience. Exactly what is going on that the AERC Board is voting on the expenditure of $45,000, the use of which has not been identified to the membership. I feel this type of action is contrary to the principles we look for from the AERC Directors. Bob Bob Morris Morris Endurance Enterprises Boise, ID -----Original Message----- From: AERCMembersForum-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:AERCMembersForum-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Michael Maul Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2003 7:17 PM To: ridecamp; CT_Region; AERC Members Subject: [AERC-Members] Updated AERC BoD Midyear meeting Agenda There have been a number of additional motions added to the agenda for the meeting of Oct. 11. 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