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Re: [RC] ride time analysis - Teri Hunter

Kat,

I myself feel that the way you presented your opinion was extremely uncalled
for.  It sounded as if you were running for election and running a smear
campaign.

If you felt that AERC does not give enough information to run sats, then
that is what you could have said instead of verbally attacking someone for
their work.  Your opinion does count but don't you think people would take
your opinion a lot more serious if you presented it in a professional manner
without the verbal abuse.

Teri  Hunter

----- Original Message -----
From: "k s swigart" <katswig@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <ridecamp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Friday, August 15, 2003 12:54 PM
Subject: [RC] ride time analysis


Ed said:

damn, kat.  that entire discourse was mean spirited and uncalled for.
truman put a lot
of effort into that, so be openminded and take it for what it is worth.
if you dont think
it is worth anything, fine, but dont unload like that.

Truman may have put a lot of effort into it, but putting a lot of effort
into the analysis of inaccurate date ISN'T worth anything.  And while the
inaccurate data may be the only thing that he had available, what he did
was
try to give the appearance of valid statistical analysis to something that
simply wasn't.

He made statements about an analysis of average speeds, when the data that
he had didn't even allow him to calculate average speeds.

And that is just plain old BAD statistics.  Analyzing and drawing
conclusions from statistical analyses can lead to all kinds of
misconceptions even when you do the analysis with good data, since
averages
may not be meaningful (and statisticians recognize this, which is why they
have at least three different ways to calculate "average"); and making
generaliztions (which is what statistics is all about) can get you into
trouble.

However, making generalizations about data you don't even have doesn't
just
open you up to getting into trouble, it is pointless.  Unless your purpose
is to point out how bad the data is.

But he didn't do that....

....so I did.

I didn't want all the trouble he went to to go for naught--since the only
proper conclusion that can be drawn from his analysis is that the AERC
doesn't provide enough data to perform valid statistical analyses.

kat
Orange County, Calif.


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