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Re: [RC] [RC] re: hobbling to saddle - Laurie Durgin

Often people only take away bits and pieces from trainers, sounds like thats what happened to your mare. John Lyons himself says he only uses a round pen for a day or two on unbroke horses. he says if the horse is halter broke, you can use "exercises "(giving to pressure) under halter.I read all the "non-resistance trainers "and went to two of their seiminars and saw PP demo. I had no desire to climb on my trailer roof or jump picnic tables or ride without headgear.But there is a thread that runs thru many of them and with common sense and the old "if this doesn't work , try something else" I think we can learn alot.
I think the most important threads were :"what is the horses' behavior telling you, be patient, break things down into little steps, repetition,positive reinforcement, consistancy, build trust, make them do something, if what you are doing doesn't work, don't keep repeating it try something different, we all make mistakes and horses are very forgiving.Not all horses are the same."
The three I have I have to adjust for. Rascal is just as he is named. He occasionally wants thinks he should decide things, he anticipates, You can't force him if he is afraid, he will fight, but he will follow me anywhere.He is light on the bit, and he can run sideways thru it.He loves to go, but will act like a plug if his friends along.
Honey is reactive, sensitive and needs to trust you, used to bolt from fear , and doesn't trust strangers readily, though she is friendly.She is smart and usually wants to please with a bit of a stubborn or lazy streak sometimes.You have to work to keep her attention when she is excited.
Scout's laid back, inquisitive and things rarely disturb him. He is very gentle and nonreactive and new experinces are ok by him.He will let you do anything to him with hardly a glance(hhhmmm could be his mother was an 18 yr old Appen. QH.and he was with her 18 months)The arab part just gave him his brains and good looks.
So I think we can learn alot from trainers and others and keeping our minds open. At the very least we can learn what doesn't work. I usually ask or read for information, then ignore what I think doesn't fit.But I have disregarded somethings only to end up trying them as a last resort.I try to do things that will make me and my horse safe in most situations and enjoy them......Laurie and Rascal, Scout and Honey oh, yeah and Champ








From: "Stephanie E Caldwell" <sec@xxxxxxxx>
To: "Sullivan" <greymare@xxxxxxx>, "Ridecamp" <ridecamp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [RC]   re: hobbling to saddle
Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 18:48:41 -0400

> I find most of it pointless, dangerous and annoying to the horse. <<

My horse is a very intelligent horse with an attitude like most Arabs. She
learned early on with the first Parelli/Lyons type trainer to lay down when
she was through. When that quit working she started jumping the 5' Round
pen. LOL We've since quit trying NH and gone back to German training and
Cowboy training, I grew up with German trainers and she grew up with Cowboy
trainers, but my question is to those of y'all who believe in NH, what do
horses gain out of RPing? I know people who RP every time they ride, for
about 20 minutes before hand, why? I've never had one who could tell me why
they were in teh RP chasing their horse around with a whip...

My horse was severly abused as a youngster (one reason I'm so against
abuse). She was broke around 14 - 16 months after being "found" in someones
corrall in Texas. She's supposed to be a Spanish Mustang. When I purchased
her she was 2 or 3 and ended up having some very severe behavior issues. The
original people that broke her used barbed wire for her curb chain, she has
no feeling in her mouth, from her reaction she was apparently beaten
severly, she was used to do ranch work for a few months. She was terrified
of people in general when I bought her, so I'd always been around Dressage
and the barn I boarded at was into John Lyons. They convinced me to let them
"train" my horse that they could fix her quicker... She ended up hating NH
and I took about 6 months and rebroke her slowly. She's a wonderful little
mare who loves people now, but all they did to her in her RP training was
run her around the RP until I rescued her from them after half an hour or so
because she wouldn't "join up".


I do lunge sometimes before I ride. If Star's been in all week (like this
week... around here it's supposed to rain until Friday) I'll lunge her on a
30' line just so I can keep her from flying around. If her pasture's not
flooded I turn her out for half an hour and let her get all that pent up
energy. Somedays I'll get on her and let her run... Just depends on how
brave I am!

Steph


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