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Re: [RC] [RC] [RC] [RC] Rascal and the Hackamore - Bonnie Davis

I'd suggest getting a copy of the "Hackamore Reinsman".  It's an excellent
book.  I have a copy but I've loaned it to someone -- maybe they'll give it
back to me someday.  There's also one called the "Army Book of Horsemanship
& Training".  My uncle gave me that  -- he used to training officers' horses
for the US Cavalry.

I'm one of those that doesn't use a different bit on a horse for different
things.  All my horses go in the bit and headstall they have from day one to
the day they die.  I think hands are more important than going from bit to
bit.  The old Spanish Spade was a great training and riding bit but got a
bum rap because it was so 'harsh'.  It was a mean bit in the hands of a
rider who DID NOT know how to use it.

All the horse's I've ridden have been in Sliceter's (not sure of spelling)
with low port, roller.  Mild bit.  Sig went to a hackamore because of wolf
teeth and Flint into a mechanical hackamore because of bars.  If I go into
an arena because I can't ride, I'll use the same bit and check up a little
more to get more of a head set.  I even take my horses and when I can't
ride, I saddle 'em, bit 'em up, pull the reins a little tight so they have
to bring their noses back and down, run reins through side rings on breast
collar and tie 'em around saddle horn, turn loose and let 'em walk in and
out of stall into paddock.  A horse sure learns to tuck his nose and get his
head back and down all by himself so he gets off the bit.  He takes the
pressure off the mouth himself -- not with someone on his back.  I've left
'em bitted up that way for maybe a couple hours while doing something else.

Bridles are a lot like saddles.  I don't think a person has to buy a saddle
for every horse owned.  I've used the same two saddles for 40 years on all
the different horses I've owned.  I believe the padding UNDER the saddle is
just as important as the saddle.  All my saddles are on a modified Quarter
Horse tree.  And as I said, I don't endurance ride so my one saddle weighs
about 65 pounds, the other about 35 pounds.  Both are square skirted and
big -- a bigger saddle spreads weight over a horse's back better and doesn't
concentrate it in just one or two areas.

 Bonnie Davis

----- Original Message -----
From: "Laurie Durgin" <ladurgin@xxxxxxx>
To: <horsecamping@xxxxxxxxx>; <eyler@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>;
Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2002 7:45 PM
Subject: Re: [RC] [RC] [RC] Rascal and the Hackamore

So when I get this all adjusted(I may have to cut some of the bridle off,
took it all the way up and extra strap is almost to his ears! LOL(a 25.00
bridle,if this works I may switch it to my biothane or get another it will
fit on.)So what about "rounding"? Does the horse need to already do this
before you put him in a hack? I can do the "no contact" thing as he hates
anyway, and I only do it when I am "doing my backyard dressage" in the
ring.If it helps his "You want me to stop?maybe later" routine ,then it
work out real well on trail.I have worked some with giving  to poll
pressure, so it may be an added plus.He did seem responseive to it
yesterday, when t quits  raining again (sigh) I will see if it is
Is there any problem with horses in hacks, getting "strung out"? Any other
weak areas?
I can see if this works, then I may use the snaffle for "dressage work",
the hack for our trail work.
I like the looks and idea of a bosal, just don't know how to train for
Any good books or sources?(I read voraciosuly(just can't spell). (slow
Laurie, how many headgears are you going to collect??? LOL)

From: "Bonnie Davis" <horsecamping@xxxxxxxxx>
To: "Laurie Durgin"
Subject: Re: [RC]   [RC] [RC] Rascal and the Hackamore
Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 19:14:05 -0800

The hackamore bit should sit with noseband just above the soft nose
(To low and one will cut the air off when horse breaths.)  Shanks
just above corners of mouth.  Curb chain is above groove in chin about an
inch.  The whole hackamore bit should fit the horse's face.  The nose
sits above and fits over the nose to top of shanks -- no space.  The curb
chain fits under jaw and has enough room for maybe about a little finger
tip.  There shouldn't be a finger or two.  The idea is to have instant
contact when pulling back on reins which is why its so IMPORTANT to have
good hands and ride light -- no pulling or tugging on reins.

Going back to the 60's, mechanical hackamore bits used to be considered
'bit of last resort' for horses that ran through bits and used to be seen
a lot of gymkhana and rope horses.

When the mechanical hackamore was first put on Flint, he tried to run
through it once or twice and soon learned a quick jerk hurt.  So he gave
trying to take the bit and run through it.  After about 3 months use,
was a horse you just shifted weigh on and he moved in that direction.

Flint was the only horse I've used a mechanical hackamore on and as I've
said, my Quarter Horse, Sig, is in a regular hackamore.  There is a
difference.  The mechanical hackamore has a chain under chin and noseband
with reins attached to shanks all on a headstall.  The regular hackamore
a bosel from which double reins are taken from a knot under the jaw line.
The knot is adjusted for various pressure.  Personally, I like the
because I like the way it looks on Sig plus he has nothing in his mouth

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Re: [RC] [RC] [RC] [RC] Rascal and the Hackamore, Laurie Durgin