Ridecamp: RE: Re[4]: [RC] B.C.A.A. Complex

Roger:

I do not agree that supplementing with <<<Feeding a strange
named naturally occurring  feed substance in large
qualities is morally wrong but feeding 16 oz of maple syrup
is not
- since its simple sugar and sounds good?>>>

That is definitely in contravention with our Rules and I can
see no way you can say it is not. It is my concern that
every one is into "fueling" the horse like it was a diesel
truck. Carbo charge, sugar, corn syrup or any thing in
abnormal quantities. And Maple syrup at the current price is
not very economic minded as well.

<<<However YOU  - Bob told me I should be held in violation
of rule 13 for
feeding a strange named carbohydrate feed product. ?
One that is based on complex sugars - slow uptake one that
is
formulated  to control the glucose swings. Much safer to use
then high
fructose corn syrup.>>>

But still to this day an abnormal substance in abnormal
amounts!

Bob

Bob Morris
Morris Endurance Enterprises
Boise, ID

-----Original Message-----
From: ridecamp-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:ridecamp-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Roger
Rittenhouse
Sent: Sunday, June 30, 2002 5:55 PM
To: Bob Morris; ridecamp
Subject: Re[4]: [RC] B.C.A.A. Complex


Bob  This issue was not about a DRUG  but a feed substance.
That was why I choose to use the BCAA along with high doses
of SIMPLE
SUGAR  given at MANY ride to increase the blood sugar levels
during
the ride and thus INCREASE performance.

Neither BCAA nor SUGAR is a drug.
Feeding a strange named naturally occurring  feed substance
in large
qualities is morally wrong but feeding 16 oz of maple syrup
is not
- since its simple sugar and sounds good?
Go figure that one.

Remember   4-5 years ago when you and a MESS of others were
stringing me
up behind the horse for using another form of 'sugar' fuel
with a BAD
name  CARBO --? Well that stuff sure is much safer then some
of the
'extra'  CARBO fuel sources I see given today.

No question in my mind and our good vet science  - about the
potential for a major crash   using simple SUGAR to fuel a
horse during a race.
I am not talking about slight amounts here.
Sure it works   - sure IF you do it wrong the horse will
crash hard.
Sure its legal??
However YOU  - Bob told me I should be held in violation of
rule 13 for
feeding a strange named carbohydrate feed product. ?
One that is based on complex sugars - slow uptake one that
is
formulated  to control the glucose swings. Much safer to use
then high
fructose corn syrup.

Should one use BCAA - I would suggest NOT.
Should one use LARGE amounts of SUGAR? Well? MAYBE?

I see the potential for the use of SUGAR and BCAA to have a
positive
 affect on the performance of the horse.  While SUGAR used
in high
dose levels -define that - can surely have a negative
affect.

Again neither are drugs neither are defined as drugs by the
medical
definitions,
but BOTH may/will improve performance.

  Which one is morally extra wrong?

I will continue to feed fuel products during a ride/race
depending on
the need to fuel - replenish the  expenditure. I may use
grain - SWEET feed and I
may use a refined carbohydrate product.

 Damage control substances apply to AFTER the ride/race.
Roger R


BM> From: "Bob Morris" <bobmorris@xxxxxxxx>
BM> Subject: RE: [RC]   B.C.A.A. Complex
BM>
BM>
BM> Truman:
BM>
BM> You feel, really feel there is an interpretation of the
BM> statement "The integrity of Endurance Competition
requires
BM> that the equine is   not influenced by any drug,
medication
BM> or veterinary treatment." You feel that it cannot stand
on
BM> its own?
BM>
BM> Who do you wish to interpret for you so the meaning is
BM> clear? In my mind, if the rider has to question if the
BM> substance is a drug, then that substance should not be
used.
BM>
BM> Bob



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